fat fast

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by Jean@125

I'm going with with you 2big and sadly only the handful of others on this board like Fawn, Julia L. sugarlessforlife, sugarfreesheila, alliecat and anyone else I may have forgotten who have shown me that for Atkins to work and most importantly to improve my health and for the results to LAST you must follow the plan as written.

thanks
jean@125 but you are not going with me you are going with Dr Atkins and his plan cause that is what I post about.

[Prozak]

smearing coconut oil on your face and breaking out in a rash and not using it again is a lot different then messing with your metabolic system and possible other complications that you would NOT see by looking in the mirror.. and quite possibly until it is too late.

i would hope that someone who KNOWS they are allergic to coconut oil would not use it.. but i can pretty much vouch that aside from possible allergies there really are no dangers to the rest of your body that could quite possibly derail your quest for better health.

[mamaguck]

[quote=Califrog;10321102][i]metabolism has been damaged and this is the "fix" Dr. A. found works.

Another example is that a non-diabetic can shoot insulin into themselves if they really want to, but it's extremely dangerous because they are NOT diabetic.
QUOTE]

There is a lot of the "ur not an expert, or in the medical profession, etc....well IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII am...and i want to reiterate what CaliFrog said about insulin....

INSULIN IS DANGEROUS...THE WRONG DOSE CAN BE FATAL TO A DIABETIC PERSON AND THE RISKS ARE ENORMOUS FOR A NON-DIABETIC....PLZ PLZ PLZ NOBODY EVER EVER EVER INJECT YOURSELF WITH INSULIN IN AN EFFORT TO LOSE WEIGHT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT!!!!!

furthermore, this issue about FF should be finished. If you have been following the atkins induction to a T and haven't lost anything in about a months worth of time ((or whatever time the book claims)) go to your physician before you do anything drastically. By doing the FF you may be covering up some underlying condition. A thyroid issue, horomonal problem, the list really goes on and only a qualified professional can help you.

[MsBlondeGRIT]

I have done FF many times, all with success. I suppose I have a crappy metabolism. I, along with my mother, can do Induction and stay the exact same weight for months. And this is good, pure, don't swallow the toothpaste Atkins. So the FF works for me.

[NewYorkGiants32]

Is it possible to get in ketosis doing Fat Fast?
There is no carb counting, just fat and calorie counting?

I am soooo confused...sorry! I have the book, there one where no bread, grains, pasta, etc etc is allowed on induction.....BUT (and no one yell at me) I have only read up to the Induction part, so I have no clue on if the fat fast is talked about in the remainder of the book.

[MsBlondeGRIT]

Hi Jennifer,

Yes there is a chapter devoted to the Fat Fast in the Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution book. I have the red, white, and yellow book (all the same!) and they have the chapter...It is under something like...Extreme Metabolic Resistance...Or for those who can't lose on Induction, something like that.

[MsBlondeGRIT]

Also to answer your question, I get into ketosis in one to two days on the Fat Fast. It is a high fat diet, and you just follow his guidelines. Of course if you have never been on Induction, you should do it first. You could be like one of the many people I know who ZOOM tons of weight off in Induction and never have to resort to the FF. The FF is for people more like me who will really just maintain their weight on Induction. I have literally seen people with normal metabolisms lose 14-20 lbs in two weeks on Induction if they have what I call virgin metabolisms. Me, I modelled years ago and starved off and on and compulsively exercised so I certainly have issues with metabolic rate. I am on thyroid medicine for it. But my brother's girlfriend has the weight fly off her in Induction! Like 15 lbs!

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants32

Is it possible to get in ketosis doing Fat Fast?
There is no carb counting, just fat and calorie counting?

I am soooo confused...sorry! I have the book, there one where no bread, grains, pasta, etc etc is allowed on induction.....BUT (and no one yell at me) I have only read up to the Induction part, so I have no clue on if the fat fast is talked about in the remainder of the book.

there is no carb counting cause there are no carb foods allowed in the fat fast. it is chapter 20 in the 2002 book and chapter 18 of the 92 book


MsBlondeGRIT I have a question about your expericne with that induction did you try those added supplements he talks about in DANDR 2002 chapter 20 for those with insulin resistance who don't lose in induction?

[willyd]

I just went to a bodybuilding site and looked at there keto diets and they are like 70%fat 20%protein and 10% carbs.They eat tons of fat and thats how they get cut for shows.check it out its pretty cool but i dont know how healthy it is?

[NewYorkGiants32]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

there is no carb counting cause there are no carb foods allowed in the fat fast. it is chapter 20 in the 2002 book and chapter 18 of the 92 book


MsBlondeGRIT I have a question about your expericne with that induction did you try those added supplements he talks about in DANDR 2002 chapter 20 for those with insulin resistance who don't lose in induction?

I'm sorry...I do not understand......what do you mean there are no carb foods allowed........meaning everything I eat has to have zero carbs?? And be high in fat??

[Califrog]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants32

I'm sorry...I do not understand......what do you mean there are no carb foods allowed........meaning everything I eat has to have zero carbs?? And be high in fat??

This article explains the Fat Fast pretty well:
Atkins Article : The Fat Fast

[Prozak]

I just want to add before anyone jumps on the Fat Fast train without checking with their Doc.

I had a friend who tried Atkins, I helped her walk through induction and she did not.lose.a.pound. (she had about 40 to lose)

She read about the Fat Fast and considered it, but thought to rule out any other reasons for not losing weight.

She was found to have a tumor growing on her pituitary gland, a 'Prolactinoma' (benign but needed treatment) it was treated somehow a little over a year ago and has now recently found to have grown back.

In any case, there was a medical reason she was not losing weight and a fat fast could have really made her sick(er).

IF YOU ARE LOSING WEIGHT YOU DO NOT NEED THE FF

IF YOU ARE NOT LOSING WEIGHT, SEE YOUR DOCTOR AND RULE OUT OTHER REASONS.

That is my opinion on the matter, take it and use it however yo see fit

[hummingbird11]

Originally Posted by willyd

I just went to a bodybuilding site and looked at there keto diets and they are like 70%fat 20%protein and 10% carbs.They eat tons of fat and thats how they get cut for shows.check it out its pretty cool but i dont know how healthy it is?

I just started Keto but it's more like 50% fat; 45% protein; 5% carbs.

[2big4mysize]

the bodybuilders do that for a few days before a competiton to remove fluids from their muscles and skin and it will dehydrate them so their skin "shrinks" a bit and makes the muscles look better. they are not concerned with longterm body fat loss.

[hummingbird11]

WOW - EXCELLENT ADVICE !!!!!

And let me add a personal note to this. In Spring 2005, I suddenly started having trouble with my weight. I was gaining for some inexplicable reason. I changed my eating & exercise habits, but it didn't help one bit. I continued to gain. So I went to the Doctor.

In fact, I went to several Doctors until I found one that took me seriously that something was WRONG with me! (proving once again that we must listen to our bodies & be our own best health advocates)

It's a very long & scary story with a happy ending (I'm alive!) ~ but I had a DVT (blood clot in my left leg) and an 11 lb tumor growing in my ovary. Yup, Ovarian Cancer. Stage 3C.

I was hospitalized, admitted to the cardiac unit and proceeded to have a PE (pulmonary embolism - blood clot in the lungs) right there in the hospital (convenient!) ~ I was only 41 years old.

If I'd gone on some Crash Diet instead of going to the Doctor (first) to figure out what the heck was going on w/ my weight, I wouldn't be typing this right now or planning my 45th bday party on May 30th!

Like P says - if you're not losing weight on Atkins - consult a Doctor.

XO,
HB

Originally Posted by Prozak

I just want to add before anyone jumps on the Fat Fast train without checking with their Doc.

I had a friend who tried Atkins, I helped her walk through induction and she did not.lose.a.pound. (she had about 40 to lose)

She read about the Fat Fast and considered it, but thought to rule out any other reasons for not losing weight.

She was found to have a tumor growing on her pituitary gland, a 'Prolactinoma' (benign but needed treatment) it was treated somehow a little over a year ago and has now recently found to have grown back.

In any case, there was a medical reason she was not losing weight and a fat fast could have really made her sick(er).

IF YOU ARE LOSING WEIGHT YOU DO NOT NEED THE FF

IF YOU ARE NOT LOSING WEIGHT, SEE YOUR DOCTOR AND RULE OUT OTHER REASONS.

That is my opinion on the matter, take it and use it however yo see fit

[2big4mysize]

wow hummingbird glad you didn't do a crash diet too

The bottom line is if a person is going to do the Atkins plan then they need to read the book And follow the rules and steps he wrote in your book be it 72 92 2002 or AFL get stuck see what he recommneds. He spent 40 yrs treating folk with his plan and has most likely see every thing any of us could have happen while following the plan and figured out an effect means to deal with it from stalls to cravings he covered them all.

[willyd]

Yeah the more I research it, the more I understand that carbohydrates are not needed for anything. Obese people need to think twice about that 48hr carb up, because 48hrs for some might be to long; especially if you plan to go low fat /high carb. Low fat /high carb is the most insulingenic food combination. Obese people have to understand that their own insulin is making fat and that their own insulin is making them ingest more calories. By controlling insulin, you control the amount of calories you ingest. There are enough reports on this board showing that the keto phase is lower in calories than in the carb phase. The question is why is this the case? Why are people able to eat less on the keto phase than on the carb phase? I have notice on many weekends how I'm able to ingest more than 3-4 time the amount of calories on the carb load, its almost impossible to overeat on the keto phase. This difference is like night & day.

I'm trying my hardest to move people away from the idea that excessive calories is the cause of obesity, but rather an side effect of pushing too much insulin. Its insulin that drives fatty acids from the blood stream to make the body use the glucose that's being ingested. If too much insulin is secreted and stays high after clearing the blood stream of glucose, you have a major major problem; this is the major cause why people overeat and become obese. You can see that insulin has lock away the circulating fatty acids, and the glucose has been either deposited in the muscle or fat cells, so now the bloodstream is voided of energy. However, the body needs energy 24/7. Bloodstream with no energy and a internal cells that need energy 24/7 can cause people to eat more than they really need.

In some cases, there are people, who's fat cells will actually grab the energy coming in, even though the muscle and other internal cells need this energy. Imagine that, fat cells living for themselves, and having a monopoly on the energy coming in. How does a person eat themselves to over 400lbs, and still complain of being hungry. Is it really psychological? Come on now. There has to be a metabolic defect.

What the keto phase does is control insulin. Before the lowfat/high carb phase, doctors normally would use low carb diets to reduce obese people. If you study history, you'll see that the medical establishment know that insulin is behind excessive fatten. Insulin used to be the cure of anorexic people. Some diabetics would rather skip insulin injections in order not to gain any more fat. Science has done us wrong, just watch the biggest loser and see how some of the contestant ingest less than 1500 calories, and exercise for hrs and then they get rewarded with a 1 pound lose. But smart people comment here, that calorie in/ out is what counts, are they telling me not to believe my lying eyes?

Low carb causes to many problems because we live in world of soy, grain, wheat, and corn. Check your supermarket and see which food group dominates the aisles. What if the US government turn the food pyramid upside down. What would happen to soy, grain, wheat, and corn? There are states in our great union that only produce one product like corn. So if people are waiting for changes from media to tell the truth of carbs and its impact on health, don't hold your breath. Continue eating less and exercise more, the biggest smoke and mirror act out right now.

Here is the deal, the body can use both carbs and fat for fuel. The body is better adapted to use fat as fuel but can use carbohydrates. Even though most of our studies concentrate on carbohydrates, fat still shows how superior it is in the few studies out. ie aging, cancer, dementia, weight loss, pregnancy, circulatory health, high blood pressure, etc. The problem is that most people have been eating carbohydrates for a long time, and when they switch, the body needs to bring back the natural system online. Even if you check our hormones, you will see that a majority of our hormones express in a low insulin environment. Insulin is the only hormone stimulated by glucose and it happen to be known as the storage hormone.

We have been so fooled in believing that sugar is needed for fueling growth and refilling glycogen stores. Even people who go to school for this stuff still kick the same nonsense, but its not their fault. Mainstream controls thoughts and ideas, and schools teach mainstream. Doctors rather prescribe drugs, than try low carb to treat diabetes. Only people who win is Big Pharma. The truth is the body has a different system to refill glycogen stores when sugar is not available. The body will break down fat to make glucose to fuel the brain and to refill muscles. The more we abandon sugar, the more our body will adapt to using fat. 12 week studies showing that keto diets failing is not enough time to make a judgment. The longer you stay on keto is the more your muscles will use fat as energy, and the more it will hold on to glycogen, and when its needed, will break down fat to make it. When sugar is low all muscle building/ fat burning hormones are high, which environment would you rather work out in, a Fat Burning/ Muscle building environment or in Fat Storage one?

this is an article someone wrote on bb.com i thought it was good.

[2big4mysize]

We have been so fooled in believing that sugar is needed for fueling growth and refilling glycogen stores. Even people who go to school for this stuff still kick the same nonsense, but its not their fault. Mainstream controls thoughts and ideas, and schools teach mainstream. Doctors rather prescribe drugs, than try low carb to treat diabetes. Only people who win is Big Pharma. The truth is the body has a different system to refill glycogen stores when sugar is not available. The body will break down fat to make glucose to fuel the brain and to refill muscles. The more we abandon sugar, the more our body will adapt to using fat. 12 week studies showing that keto diets failing is not enough time to make a judgment. The longer you stay on keto is the more your muscles will use fat as energy, and the more it will hold on to glycogen, and when its needed, will break down fat to make it.

I was with you right up to this.
there are studies on low carbers that show most of the sugar we make comes from proteins in the diet ( or body parts when protein isn't enough in the diet) not body nor dietary fats. they have disproved the 120 grams of carbs needed a day hypthosis but the protein is the primary sugar maker. fat are used as fatty acids and undergo oxidation. Once they get to the the 2 carbon size they will enter the TAC cycle (just like sugar when it gets to the 2 carbon size) in the mitochondria. this is an aerobic process and needs those mitochondria something missing in some body parts such as red blood cells, and parts of the retnia and some brain parts also need a sugar fuel not all the brain but some parts.

[willyd]

So what do you think the answer is?we know to much protein converts into insulin right?so the answer would be a high fat diet, is this correct or am i confused i get that way(LOL) are you saying we need carbs?i dunno

[2big4mysize]

high fat yes and moderate protein intake like Dr Atkins recommends. the amount of protein we each need will vary based on size build and activity levels but you can use nutrtionist Controlledcarb's formula of 2.2 times your body weight as your target protein intake and then add fat to get to the cals you need for the day some folk who have isnulin issues do better doing induction with 70% or higher fat intake while other do best on the regular 65%. so at 300 pounds your minimum protein needs for growth repair and glucose needs would be 136 grams or about 545 cals worth then add your dietary fats and you could do a no carb plan BUT those induction legal carbs are full of micronutriants we all need and some of them even assist in fat metabolism so having those 3 cupps of veggies helps not hurts the majority of the low carbers.

Oh and it doesn't convert to insulin some protein is used to makes glucose which need insulin to metabolize. BUT we need a certain amount of gluce in our blood stream all the time as anybody who has ever had low blood sugar will tell you the symptoms are not pretty and too low will be fatal. So we use that protein that is converted to glucsoe to replenish the blood stream supplies as body parts that need glucose remove some.

the cool thing about it is the chemical the causes our body to make glucose is generated when blood glucose gets low and energy needs are high BUT the chemical neded for using the gluocse ( insulin) causes the chemical needed to make that glucose production to go down so low carbers eating a proper Atkins plan don't get too much glucose manufactured to exceed body needs unless they spike blood sugars with a carby meal

high carbers are also using proteins to make sugar once the blood sugar levels drop after a meal too but we never hear about that.

many folk confuse dietary carbs with glucose body energy needs and as ZI've explain we can make all the glucose we need. there are even some recycling programs in the body that put the brokendown parts of that glucose back together to use again like the cori cycle

[Jim_1970]

Originally Posted by SweetestDork

Hi Jim... this is what i ate yesterday....

8am - 2 scrambled eggs with cheese, 3 slices bacon
10am - handful macademia nuts
12pm - heaping spoonful of peanut butter
2pm - handful of sunflower seeds
4pm - 3 pieces pepperjack cheese
6pm - half a handful of macademia nuts and a chunk of cheddar cheese


for the most part im not hungry. I drink alot of water.... if i feel myself getting hungry after 6 i will have some pepsi one because the carbonation seems to help my stomach feel full.

Today im starting breakfast at 10 and will go until 8 which may be a better idea since eating later and not such a long period between last meal and the time i go to bed.

Thanks Sweet Dork...that is real helpful. Good Luck with your weight loss. Seem you are doing well.
\Jim

[Jim_1970]

Originally Posted by willyd

Jim ,can you post a sample menu you have in a day?Ive been doing lowcarb for two months and only lost 16LBS and you lost 68 in 3months your doing some thing i must not be i weigh 300Lbs right now.

Hi Willyd, here is a couple of sample meal plans i currently am using. i hope they help you. Let me say, i try to drink about 100 oz of water a day. Also, I drink no aspartame(tryn to drink only drinks made with splenda) and I walk/run 2-4 miles a day. Good Luck....Oh yea, i do eat a salad about twice a week. Some of you may say I need more veggies, but i eat more now than I ever did before Atkins. So, to each his own.

B- 3 eggs
1 ham
32 oz water
1 diet rite
L- 1 chicken breast
pork skins
32 oz water
1 diet rite
D- 2 turkey burgers
6 turkey bacon
1 diet rite
32 oz water

B- 3 eggs
4 turkey bacon
1 ham
32 oz water
1 diet rite
L- one minute muffin
32 oz water
1 diet rite
D- 1 baked chicken
green beans
32 oz water
1 diet rite

[willyd]

So after i lift weights i dont need a carb meal to replinish glycogen stores.bodybuilders say do that or carb up once a week to replenish gly from weight lifting.So the protein i eat will replinish my muscles in the absense of carbs starchey ones. i think that they eat starchey carb to get that pumped look but i dont know.MY personal goal is to get that lean muscular look.