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Old 04-29-2008, 08:25 AM   #31
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again the new studies show nitrates and nitrites are beneficial to humans AND the majority of the bad stuff stay away from nitrates and nitrites info ignores the fact that the majority of the chemicals that cause those nasty test results actually are found naturally in many nature made foods we eat like leafy green veggies.
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Chemical Cuisine ~ A guide to food additives & artificial sweeteners[/COLOR]
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SODIUM NITRITE, SODIUM NITRATE

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Preservative, coloring, flavoring: Bacon, ham, frankfurters, luncheon meats, smoked fish, corned beef.

Meat processors love sodium nitrite because it stabilizes the red color in cured meat (without nitrite, hot dogs and bacon would look gray) and gives a characteristic flavor. Sodium nitrate is used in dry cured meat, because it slowly breaks down into nitrite. Adding nitrite to food can lead to the formation of small amounts of potent cancer-causing chemicals (nitrosamines), particularly in fried bacon. Nitrite, which also occurs in saliva and forms from nitrate in several vegetables, can undergo the same chemical reaction in the stomach. Companies now add ascorbic acid or erythorbic acid to bacon to inhibit nitrosamine formation, a measure that has greatly reduced the problem. While nitrite and nitrate cause only a small risk, they are still worth avoiding.

Several studies have linked consumption of cured meat and nitrite by children, pregnant women, and adults with various types of cancer. Although those studies have not yet proven that eating nitrite in bacon, sausage, and ham causes cancer in humans, pregnant women would be prudent to avoid those products.

The meat industry justifies its use of nitrite and nitrate by claiming that it prevents the growth of bacteria that cause botulism poisoning. That’s true, but freezing and refrigeration could also do that, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture has developed a safe method using lactic-acid-producing bacteria. The use of nitrite and nitrate has decreased greatly over the decades, because of refrigeration and restrictions on the amounts used. The meat industry could do the public’s health a favor by cutting back even further. Because nitrite is used primarily in fatty, salty foods, consumers have important nutritional reasons for avoiding nitrite-preserved foods.
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actually, saccharin is not dangerous. the FDA removed it from it's list of carcinogens. it can safely be consumed in small amounts, as DANDR says no more than 3 packs a day.
i use a liquid sweetner form that is just saccharin, and it works well in my drinks and no funny taste.
DANDR says you should opt for spenda, saccharin, cyclamate, or asesulfame-K as your artificial sweetner
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actually, saccharin is not dangerous. the FDA removed it from its list of carcinogens. it can safely be consumed in small amounts, as DANDR says no more than 3 packs a day.
i use a liquid sweetner form that is just saccharin, and it works well in my drinks and no funny taste.
DANDR says you should opt for spenda, saccharin, cyclamate, or asesulfame-K as your artificial sweetner
The Atkins preference, however, is sucralose (Splenda), the only sweetener made from sugar.

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And the FDA's stamp of approval does NOT = trust for me because it is ALL about the almighty dollar with the FDA. I’m quite sure that Sweet'n Low paid a LOT of money to get Saccharin removed from the “bad list”.

The FDA has approved MANY items hazardous to our health (like Fen-Phen!), because again, it’s about money with them, NOT our health. The list of FDA recalls is endless. Google it.

Did you know that since the Bush Admin took office – that the FDA has reduced its investigations by more than 50%? Coincidence? I think not.

We must each find our own way, but I would not touch Saccharin, Aspartame, Acesulfame K ~
I prefer to use Stevia and Splenda.

CHECK THIS OUT: Food Additives ~ CSPI’s Food Safety

(the list is as of May 2008 ~ long after DANDR was published)

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Given that the studies showing saccharin caused cancer used enough of the stuff to fell an elephant, I think it's safe to say it's ok for use by humans who only use a few DROPS a day.

Here'a an alternative sweetener I haven't seen mentioned: somersweet from Suzanne Somers. It's quite good, and is made from oligofructose, inulin, fructose, sprouted mung bean extract and acesulfame K. Has less than 1 g of carbs and that comes from fiber. You can buy from her website or from HSN.com. I like to mix up my sweeteners, ... liquid splenda, somersweet, xylitol.
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Given that the studies showing saccharin caused cancer used enough of the stuff to fell an elephant, I think it's safe to say it's ok for use by humans who only use a few DROPS a day.

Here'a an alternative sweetener I haven't seen mentioned: somersweet from Suzanne Somers. It's quite good, and is made from oligofructose, inulin, fructose, sprouted mung bean extract and acesulfame K. Has less than 1 g of carbs and that comes from fiber. You can buy from her website or from HSN.com. I like to mix up my sweeteners, ... liquid splenda, somersweet, xylitol.
Well, having had Cancer myself - I can tell you that it's no fun and ANY RISK (no matter how small) is TOO BIG for me AND my loved ones. No thanks. There are just too many healthier alternatives.

Yes, SomerSweet contains Acesulfame K but that should be avoided too! (even Suzanne Somers knows this and has since removed Acesulfame K from her new version of SomerSweet. HSN must be trying to liquidate the original version). Oh and try asking her (original) website about the safety of the ingredients in SomerSweet. They'll reply that "Mgmt will respond" - but they won't ever respond!

You should check-out this link: Food Additives ~ CSPI’s Food Safety


You can have your pork rinds; saccharine; acesulfame K. But I believe the real key to healthy & permanent weight loss is through a much more natural WOE which Dr Atkins supports. I do like xylitol (Xylo-Sweet).

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Good for you. some of us just aren't that disciplined.
I didn't used to be either; but as I keep finding healthier alternatives, it becomes easier and easier for me! We must all find our own path. You are welcome to use, or discard the info posted here. Always your choice.
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Dropping a dress size can't really be compared to dropping X pounds of weight. The scale measures losses much differently from the measuring tape and our clothes.

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Oh wow - thanks Darlene! That's nice to know!

It was a huge decision for me. But I cleared my kitchen of ALL refined sugar (including all packaged/processed foods) and I don't use any chemical sugar substitutes (except Splenda) - I researched healthier alternatives (Stevia; Xylo~Sweet; Whey Low) and stocked up on a variety of those. Since it's all I have on hand ~ it's all I use! No discipline there! LOL!

I did get really excited about the SomerSweet till I read about the Acesulfame K. That was a big disappointment to me
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Again, it's not the actual nitrites - it's the chemical process during cooking/curing that causes Nitrosamines which are carcinogenic.
Yes...this is what I'm reading in all the detailed research. While the sodium nitrate added is not the initial problem and is not cancer causing...it is the Nitrosamines that are produced while the body is digesting that is the problem and is cancer causing. Read this well versed article that explains it nicely: (new research confirms via University of Manitoba)

link: Foods That Harm Our Health And Cause Cancer - OnlineEarnings Article Board

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[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Additionally, sodium nitrite is added to processed meats, hot dogs, bacon, and any other meat that needs a reddish color to look "fresh." Decades ago when meats were preserved, it was done with salt. But in the mid 20th century, food manufacturers started using sodium nitrite in commercial preservation. This chemical is responsible for the pinkish color in meat to which consumers have grown accustomed. Although today the use of refrigeration is largely what protects consumers from botulism and bacteria, manufacturers still add sodium nitrite to make the meat look pinkish and fresh.

The nitrites themselves are not the problem. People get more nitrites from vegetables than they do from meat, according to research by the University of Minnesota. During the digestion process, however, sodium nitrite is converted to nitrosamine, and that's where the cancer problems begin. Nitrosamine is a carcinogen, but since it is not technically an ingredient, its presence can be easily overlooked on the packaging. Nitrosamines are also found in food items that are pickled, fried, or smoked; in things such as beer, cheese, fish byproducts, and tobacco smoke.

The Cancer Prevention Coalition recommends that children should not eat more than 12 hot dogs per month because of the risk of cancer. If you must have your hot dog fix, look for those without sodium nitrite listed among the ingredients.

Processed meats and bacon almost always contain the same sodium nitrite found in hot dogs. You can find some without nitrites, but you'll have to look for them in natural grocers or health food stores.[/COLOR]
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I make my own beef jerky, it is really easy and nitrate free, you could use it as a snack too or crumble to make chicken nugget and stuff too.
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I make my own beef jerky, it is really easy and nitrate free, you could use it as a snack too or crumble to make chicken nugget and stuff too.
OK....LOVE! You totally have to post your recipe for that!!! I could eat that often, and was disappointed I couldn't try any at the store...lol. Please and thank you!!!
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It is so easy, I looked it up on google. I just buy a package of beef, the really thin sliced kind for fondue or have the butcher slice it for me super thin. I marinade it over night (I use garlic salt and dijon mustard). I put it in the oven with the door slightly open, lowest heat possible for about 5 hours or so. yummy.
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Yes...this is what I'm reading in all the detailed research. While the sodium nitrate added is not the initial problem and is not cancer causing...it is the Nitrosamines that are produced while the body is digesting that is the problem and is cancer causing. Read this well versed article that explains it nicely: (new research confirms via University of Manitoba)

link: Foods That Harm Our Health And Cause Cancer - OnlineEarnings Article Board

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[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Additionally, sodium nitrite is added to processed meats, hot dogs, bacon, and any other meat that needs a reddish color to look "fresh." Decades ago when meats were preserved, it was done with salt. But in the mid 20th century, food manufacturers started using sodium nitrite in commercial preservation. This chemical is responsible for the pinkish color in meat to which consumers have grown accustomed. Although today the use of refrigeration is largely what protects consumers from botulism and bacteria, manufacturers still add sodium nitrite to make the meat look pinkish and fresh.

The nitrites themselves are not the problem. People get more nitrites from vegetables than they do from meat, according to research by the University of Minnesota. During the digestion process, however, sodium nitrite is converted to nitrosamine, and that's where the cancer problems begin. Nitrosamine is a carcinogen, but since it is not technically an ingredient, its presence can be easily overlooked on the packaging. Nitrosamines are also found in food items that are pickled, fried, or smoked; in things such as beer, cheese, fish byproducts, and tobacco smoke.

The Cancer Prevention Coalition recommends that children should not eat more than 12 hot dogs per month because of the risk of cancer. If you must have your hot dog fix, look for those without sodium nitrite listed among the ingredients.

Processed meats and bacon almost always contain the same sodium nitrite found in hot dogs. You can find some without nitrites, but you'll have to look for them in natural grocers or health food stores.[/COLOR]
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It is so easy, I looked it up on google. I just buy a package of beef, the really thin sliced kind for fondue or have the butcher slice it for me super thin. I marinade it over night (I use garlic salt and dijon mustard). I put it in the oven with the door slightly open, lowest heat possible for about 5 hours or so. yummy.
YUM! Thanks! I've gotta try that!!


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Atkins is NOT a high protein diet, but if you read it, it IS high fat. If you read his menus, it is HIGH fat. And high fat works great for me. If I keep fat to around 75% of my calories, I cannot help but lose!
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Atkins is NOT a high protein diet, but if you read it, it IS high fat. If you read his menus, it is HIGH fat. And high fat works great for me. If I keep fat to around 75% of my calories, I cannot help but lose!
I've done really good the last week keeping fat above 65%. Will weigh in the morning for the end of my first induction week-we'll see how it went!!
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Hello - I'm on day 5, so I'm really learning as I go. I have been doing a ton of reading on this site, which is fabulous, by the way!

I just have one question - you say that shakes & bars are not allowed during induction, but the Atkins site suggests them (1 bar and 1 shake every single day of induction) as they are included in the 2 week meal plan Atkins Nutritional - Meal Planner Week One

Can you explain the difference of opinion? I'm just curious.

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Hello - I'm on day 5, so I'm really learning as I go. I have been doing a ton of reading on this site, which is fabulous, by the way!

I just have one question - you say that shakes & bars are not allowed during induction, but the Atkins site suggests them (1 bar and 1 shake every single day of induction) as they are included in the 2 week meal plan Atkins Nutritional - Meal Planner Week One

Can you explain the difference of opinion? I'm just curious.

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Please read the 2002 copy of Dr. Atkins book....Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution. Everything made after he passed away in 2003 is from the company that bought him out and is promoting Atkins processed products to generate sales. To do the plan correctly, you must just go by the rules in this book. HTH...

If you use processed foods, you will hinder your success greatly. Processed products can only be added in moderation 'after' you've reached all of your goals and are on maintenance.

Check out this site for all of the correct facts and myths and learn about all of the incorrect information that is out there. The plan won't work unless you do it as Dr. Atkins himself describes in his last DANDR book / 2002. Sheila explains most of it extremely well and you can see the success she has had:

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nice job Christina! perfect explanation!

Fashay & Mrs Mor - if you want to follow the "pure" form of Atkins, use the 2002 (or sooner) version of DANDR. anything later than 2002 (in written form or on the internet) is per Atkins Nutritionals (not to be confused w/ Dr Atkins) and they will say anything to get you to buy their products. They also claim that eating their manmade grains is OK on Induction. It's not.

Basically, if it's NOT on this list - don't eat it during Induction!

Atkins - Acceptable Foods


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Please read the 2002 copy of Dr. Atkins book....Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution. Everything made after he passed away in 2003 is from the company that bought him out and is promoting Atkins processed products to generate sales. To do the plan correctly, you must just go by the rules in this book. HTH...

If you use processed foods, you will hinder your success greatly. Processed products can only be added in moderation 'after' you've reached all of your goals and are on maintenance.

Check out this site for all of the correct facts and myths and learn about all of the incorrect information that is out there. The plan won't work unless you do it as Dr. Atkins himself describes in his last DANDR book / 2002. Sheila explains most of it extremely well and you can see the success she has had:

SugarFreeSheila.com / SFS.com - Your ULTIMATE Resource For Atkins / Low Carb Help & Information!

Also, this page is the only acceptable information:

Atkins - Acceptable Foods

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Why aren't atkins shakes allowed on induction?
Because they are not real food. They are junk food! It's the low carb equivalent to Snackwells fat free cookies. It's NOT getting you into good habits either.
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Great explanation - thank you.
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:50 AM   #60
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Plus, why would you want to drink a boring yucky shake when you can eat a yummy steak or something? You can always do those egg cream things, a lot of people love those things and it is like a homemade shake, much better choice.
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