Heavy cream

[moeferg]

Is heavy cream beat into whipped cream a no-no on induction?

[binga]

its fine , limited to 3 oz

[sjmiller]

As a fine point, it's 3 ounces of unsweetened cream.

[silkhair1]

Is it 3 oz. a day, or week?

[imjustpeachy]

I think it is a day (but don't forget to count the carbs).

[Moonshadow28]

Which book do you have? Mine (DANDR 1992) says 2-3 tablespoons not ounces, but yes, it is allowed on induction.
~Kristin

[binga]

PAGE 129 the induction phase,to add variety,each day you can also eat 10-20 olives,half a sm avocado,1 oz of sour cream or three ozs of unsweetened heavy cream,as well as 2-3 T of lemon juice or lime juice

[sjmiller]

And remember that heavy cream is .4125 net carb per Tbs.

[Moonshadow28]

Hm, thanks. Yet another discrepancy, within the same book! Turn back one page to the beverages section, and it says 2-3 T. And yes, on p.129 it does say 3 ounces.

I know in induction you don't count calories, but 2-3T + 3 ounces "for variety" can be 650 calories... that's a lot... JMO.

~Kristin

[Peony]

But, Kristen, calories don't count--at least they aren't supposed to.

[Moonshadow28]

At the beginning of your journey, certainly not. If I had had too I would have lost my mind.
But, as you move up the carb ladder, and you get close to goal, you will need to be mindful of them. And if I would follow my own darn advice (BUT I DON'T WANNA!!!!) I would be at goal.
~Kristin

[Peony]

Kristen, you are so close. Give your body time to catch up. Maybe it needs this extra 5 lbs until it shrinks the loose skin. I certainly wish I weighed 150.

[Texoma]

omg, I just checked my book and there is a discrepancy! I always went with 2-3 tablespoons if any. I don't care what anyone thinks...calories DO matter. On this diet we don't have to care so much but they still matter eventually.

[hleihil]

Okay can I highjack your post for a minute? One person referred to the olives, avacado reference for variety. I have been dying for half and avacado, but it just seems to high in carbs. The original edition of the book (so I'm told) said don't net during induction, well that would mean I can't have the avacados then unless I am willing to give say one third of my carbs for it.

Thoughts on this?

I mean I guess I could just keep them in the fridge, they woudl keep but for variety it sounds so yummy!

Stacy

[sjmiller]

Originally Posted by hleihil

Okay can I highjack your post for a minute? One person referred to the olives, avacado reference for variety. I have been dying for half and avacado, but it just seems to high in carbs. The original edition of the book (so I'm told) said don't net during induction, well that would mean I can't have the avacados then unless I am willing to give say one third of my carbs for it.

Thoughts on this?

I mean I guess I could just keep them in the fridge, they woudl keep but for variety it sounds so yummy!

Stacy

What version of Atkins are YOU doing?

[2big4mysize]

remember those cream, avacado, lime juice and olive section is in the special catagory foods and has a line immediately following them that says your induction may not toleraste them. if you find your weight loss slowing give them up till later. Seems even DANDR has a YMMV clause in there.


I'm confused by your high carb reference to avocados? Half of a Haas avocado has 6 grams of Total Carbohydrate, 4.2 grams of fiber bringing the Net Carbs down to just 1.7 grams. 15 grams of “good” fats.
Why would you have to give up a 1/3 you could do it in moderation like 1/4 at a time if you don't net and still only have 3 carbs.

Happy low carbing

[hleihil]

I am following the latest edition of his book. But have not been netting because I can't even make 20 without netting and i remember from when my parents did this before that they didn't net the first two weeks.

[dawnyama]

Stacy,

I eat half an avocado every night on my salad. My DH says his salad just isn't a salad without one! We love avocados! I have managed to lose just fine.

[hleihil]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

I'm confused by your high carb reference to avocados? Half of a Haas avocado has 6 grams of Total Carbohydrate, 4.2 grams of fiber bringing the Net Carbs down to just 1.7 grams. 15 grams of “good” fats.
Why would you have to give up a 1/3 you could do it in moderation like 1/4 at a time if you don't net and still only have 3 carbs.

It just seems that since I am not netting the first two weeks that 6 grams is a lot to give to one food. I totally believe in the good fats and may opt to add a tiny bit to my Fauxo salad today.

Fitday has a California Avocado as over 11 grams of carb for the whole fruit, and a Florida Avocado as over 27 grams of carb for the whole fruit. And even Carb Coutner has the lowest carb count for Avocado at 15 carbs for the whole fruit.

http://www.carb-counter.org/fruit/search/Avocados/0900

Anyway, that's where I was coming from on how I couldn't believe it was allowed on induction.

[hleihil]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Stacy,

I eat half an avocado every night on my salad. My DH says his salad just isn't a salad without one! We love avocados! I have managed to lose just fine.

Thank you for replying, may I ask how much you have to lose?

I am on my seocnd round of induction and I aven't lost anything yet at almost a week into it. I opted to continue on a second 2 weeks becasue I think I may be somewhat metabollically resistant according to the chart in the book. I lost 7 lbs from low cal eating over 3 months before I opted to go on Atkin's. Then 5 lbs over two weeks. Now 27 lbs to go to goal. I work out 4 times a week too.

[dawnyama]

I am not actively trying to lose at this point. I have reached my first "milestone" I guess you could say. I have been LCing for 8 years throughout several pregnancies and nursing periods (my youngest is 1 yr, my oldest 11yr). I was able to meet my pre-pregnancy weight of 133 from before I had my first baby and am "hanging" out here for a while. I know that at this weight I can maintain very easily. I still eat very low carb, just don't expect any more weight loss. If it comes that is great but right now it doesn't matter. I am 5'4" and have a bit of a tummy leftover from my pregnancies but hopefully when I get back to exercising it will go down. I would love to get down to 125, but when I did that while on NutriSystem it was hard to maintain and was constantly hungry. Not how I like to be!

I tend to stick with Atkins' ratios for induction as a guide--I try to have at least one salad a day and a cup or so of veggies. I am not a big veggie eater, so if I can get those in I feel real good. Now you see why I don't mind having the avocado every day! It might account for one of my veggies for the day! Btw, I have tried to save avocados in the fridge a few times after cutting them open and they got all brown, not very appetizing at all. So, I end up throwing them away if I don't finish it. And I eat the black avocadoes--the ones that are lower in carbs. I may also have a few strawberries or blueberries in the day now that they are in season. I count them out, though and if I have them at lunchtime in my yogurt I would have like 5 strawberries which isn't much.

You are doing well on that 5 pounds. Kutgw! The exercise really helps to firm you up while taking those pounds off. I started back to walking and will soon be adding in resisitance training.

[hleihil]

Thank you for replying Dawn. I also have the black ones in my fruit bowl. I went ahead and added it in my "fauxo" salad, I made a small 2 oz cheese crisp bowl and added 1 C of lettuce, 1 C of diced chicken breast, 1 T of sour cream, 1 T of salsa and 1/4 C of an avocado, not netted it came out to be 7 carbs for lunch. I am still only at 9 for the day and my percentages are pretty good, I made 3 slices turkey bacon for breakfast and rolled it around 1 T cream cheese and 2 stalks of asparagus. It was sooo good! I also had a half of a cup of coffee with 1.5 T of cream and 1 tsp of splenda.

I figure this still gives me over 10 carbs for dinner and I already have some Ceasar salad planned out so I shoud be okay. I guess the avocados aren't as bad as I thought. I may add a couple of cheese crisps on the side. I think I have been overdoing it on cheese and not enough on veggies so I am going to try to reverse that. The thing is I like veggies, but I am trying to be "safe" so I didn't want the extra carbs, but I have to get around it becasue if I am pushing 10-15 total a day I obviously have the room for them.

Thank you to all for talking me through it. I am desperately trying to get my 20 carbs in but I sometimes feel like I'm in a panic that I will go over and I have been trying so hard to do all the right things to lose this weight once and for all.

Stacy

[Peony]

Don't forget there is a big difference in Avocados. The Florida variety is large and smooth and much higher in carbs than the California variety that is small, dark greenish black and bumpy textured.

I love avocados with lemon juice and cottage cheese. Yummmmm

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by hleihil

Thank you for replying, may I ask how much you have to lose?

I am on my seocnd round of induction and I aven't lost anything yet at almost a week into it. I opted to continue on a second 2 weeks becasue I think I may be somewhat metabollically resistant according to the chart in the book. I lost 7 lbs from low cal eating over 3 months before I opted to go on Atkin's. Then 5 lbs over two weeks. Now 27 lbs to go to goal. I work out 4 times a week too.

Glad you enjoyed your avacodo portion. Even with fitday saying 11 gross Dr Atkins said 1/2 an avacodo not a whole so that would only be 5.5 gross carbs.

BTW if you came to Atkins from a low carb plan then the charts will not apply to you cause youhad already shed your fluid weight held with your glycogen reserves that are included in the charts.

6 pounds is very good. you are doing fine! just think you shed 15% of your needed to lose weight during your induction. That would havce been a 22 pound loss for somebody like me. you are doing very well. How many inches of fat did you shed in those 5 pounds?

Happy low carbing

[hleihil]

I have lost 2" @ bust, 3" @ waist, 4" @ hips, .25" @ biceps and .5 " @ thighs. For a total of 9.5" total and 12 lbs total since the beginning of everything, low cal then onto Atkins. I think my Atkins weight is now down 6 pounds. And I was only at something like 1/2 inches with low cal.

Stacy

[2big4mysize]

woo hoo lookie at you shrinking away! jsut think that is 6 boxes of butter gone from you while Atkinsing.

[Peony]

Hey, better yet! I read somewhere on these forums that 6 lbs= 1 gallon of fat. I think the fat on your body is much puffier than butter.

[hleihil]

Thank you both of you, I have had a touch of a stomach bug the last two days and I tell you it has kicked me into high gear on the pounds loss, I am down another 2.5 pounds. I haven't been able to eat much 700-800 calories and around 8 carbs but I have really kept on the water, so hopefully it's not just water weight that will come back when this bug passes.

Stacy

[Lynda99]

Take your leftover avocado, add some lime juice, mayo, and some seasoning. Put it in a small plastic bag. roll the air out, and freeze.

It freezes great.