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Old 04-13-2009, 03:03 PM   #1201
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Can you tell me your best recommendation .. Atkins 72 or Stillmans.
Well, this is Stillman's diet. Answer to yourself if you'd be happy with Stillman's or Atkins based on the foods you like to eat. Ask yourself if you are doing the diet for short term or long term. I understand that the Stillman diet has a lot of drop outs because it is so strict. You be the judge:



THE QUICK LOSS METHOD

This is a severe form of ketogenic diet. It is not easily
sustainable for the longterm. It may be useful in breaking
plateaus and in those too impatient to allow their bodies
to take the fat off gradually at its own pace.

NOTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED ON THIS DIET--NOTHING! IF IT'S NOT
MENTIONED IN THE FOLLOWING LIST, DON'T EAT OR DRINK IT.

Eat all you wish of the following foods to satisfy hunger.
If you eat until you've satisfied your hunger but haven't stuffed
yourself, and then feel hungry before the next meal, you can eat
again, but only from the foods listed here. In fact, you're better
off eating smaller meals 6 times a day than 3 bigger meals as is
the general custom. But you limit yourself to this extensive list
of high protein foods.

1. LEAN MEATS,with all possible fat trimmed off. Includes beef,
lamb, veal. Eat it broiled, boiled, baked or smoked. No butter,
margarine, oil or other fats or grease are to be used either in
the cooking or the eating.

2. CHICKEN AND TURKEY with all skin removed. Broiled, boiled
or roasted, with no butter, margarine, oil or other fats or greases.
Young fowl is preferable but not necessary.

3. ALL LEAN FISH such as flounder, haddock, cod and perch;
SEAFOOD: shrimps, scallops, lobsters, oysters, clams, crabs.
No butter, margarine, oil or other fats or greases permitted in
preparation or serving. You may have cocktail sauce, horseradish,
ketchup-in moderation.

4. EGGS. Hard boiled preferably. Also soft or medium boiled eggs,
poached, or any type of fried eggs made in non-fat, non-stick pans
without butter, margarine, oil or other fats or greases.

5. COTTAGE CHEESE, FARMER CHEESE, POT CHEESE made
with skim milk and no whole milk.

6. AT LEAST 8 GLASSES OF WATER PER DAY, absolutely essential
(10 ounce glasses). As much as you want of coffee and tea without
cream, milk or sugar. You may sweeten with non-caloric sweeteners
to taste. Enjoy all the club soda, vichy and non-caloric carbonated
beverages you wish, as often as desired.

The eight <10 ounce> glasses of water daily are in addition to
whatever coffee, tea and non-caloric carbonated beverages you
drink. This is an integral part of the specific internal process put
into motion by the Quick Weight Loss Diet. Much more of your
body fat is burned up than with most other diets. This leaves in
its wake the waste products or ashes of burnt fat. [ketone bodies]
They must all be washed out of your system by water which also
serves to relieve any unpleasant dryness and taste in the mouth.

Note: ketone bodies are not ashes, they are the by-product
of incomplete burning of fats. Ketones are to fat as charcoal is to
wood. Ketones can be burned for fuel by your body. Most people
have feedback loops to protect against ketosis-acidosis.

You may use common seasonings such as salt, pepper, garlic,
cloves, thyme, other herbs and spices, cocktail sauce, tabasco
sauce, horseradish, ketchup. Don't use any creamy or oily sauces
or dressings. No mayonaise, no salad dressings, no oils, no fats.

It is desirable to take vitamins daily with the diet, such as a
once-daily vitamin and mineral tablet.

NOTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED ON THIS DIET--NOTHING! IF IT'S NOT
MENTIONED IN THE PRECEDING LIST, DON'T EAT OR DRINK IT.

If you disregard the instructions and eat regular carbohydrates
or sugar or alcohol, you will stop burning up stored fat as
efficiently. Even one indiscretion, one mouthful of ice cream, for
example, will set you back a day or two.

You will lose the most weight on The Quick Loss Diet, most quickly,
if you eat only to satisfy your humger pangs rather than to gratify
a desire to eat just for the pleasure of eating.

This diet has practically no residue (fiber). Therefore it is likely
that you may not have a bowel movement for a few days, although
not necessarily so. In any case don't be alarmed by any such lack.
[note: extra vitamin C or milk of magnesia is helpful in some cases]
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:05 PM   #1202
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I've decided to do Atkins 72 for 2 primary reasons, cup of coffee in the am with cream, and i cant stomach eggs every single day.
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Yeah, it is - which is part of why I'm considering changing my food plan. It was what I needed at the time though. Portion control is not my forte!
I am totally with you. Portion control was never my forte' either - that's why I'm on a diet!

I love it when my husband says, "Linda, just eat normal and exercise!". My reply: "What is normal, Mike? What's normal for me is not normal for you. I need some kind of structure." He is 6 ft. 1" and weights 155 lbs and eats chips, candy, and cookies every single night after supper. His goal is to gain 10 lbs. C'mon - gimmed a break!
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I've decided to do Atkins 72 for 2 primary reasons, cup of coffee in the am with cream, and i cant stomach eggs every single day.
Eggs are primary on Atkins - what else are you going to eat besides eggs on Atkins?
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:23 PM   #1205
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well I will probably eat 1 boiled egg a day but i'm going to have to force that down. I cant stand the smell of fried or scrambled eggs.

My typical menu will be as followed (with the meats alternated between beef, fish, turkey, and chicken)

Monday
Breakfast 2 Boiled eggs (probably switch to one)
half cup coffee

Lunch Ham Steak (big mistake today wont eat this again)

Dinner 2 Turkey wings
1 cup salad
vinagrette dressing

Snack Cup of coffee w/heavy whipping cream
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well I will probably eat 1 boiled egg a day but i'm going to have to force that down. I cant stand the smell of fried or scrambled eggs.

My typical menu will be as followed (with the meats alternated between beef, fish, turkey, and chicken)

Monday
Breakfast 2 Boiled eggs (probably switch to one)
half cup coffee

Lunch Ham Steak (big mistake today wont eat this again)

Dinner 2 Turkey wings
1 cup salad
vinagrette dressing

Snack Cup of coffee w/heavy whipping cream
Would you like an opinion of the above? If not, I'll keep my fingers locked on the keyboard?
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:21 PM   #1207
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Yes I definitely would like all the help I can get
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:40 PM   #1208
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well I will probably eat 1 boiled egg a day but i'm going to have to force that down. I cant stand the smell of fried or scrambled eggs.

My typical menu will be as followed (with the meats alternated between beef, fish, turkey, and chicken)

Monday
Breakfast 2 Boiled eggs (probably switch to one)
half cup coffee

Lunch Ham Steak (big mistake today wont eat this again)

Dinner 2 Turkey wings
1 cup salad
vinagrette dressing

Snack Cup of coffee w/heavy whipping cream

Okey doke, this is Atkins 72 Induction for 1 week.

Breakfast: Eat another protein besides the eggs like sausage or that pre-cooked bacon - nuke it for a minute. Dip your hard boiled eggs in a little mayo. You need the fats.

Lunch: Eat 1 cup of salad (you get 2 cups a day) with an ample portion of meat. Like a chef salad with full fat dressing - very low sugar or better yet no sugar - blue cheese is usually a good choice. I use Greek Gazebo which is 1 carb and tasty but that's not a popular dressing and you might not find it.
Switch off daily: A nice thick cheeseburger w/ a cup of salad. Pork chop etc...you get the idea.

Snack: full fat cheese - keep your cheese to 4 oz daily limit so you might want to opt out on snack. Solid cheese - no cream cheese for this 1 week.

Dinner: 2 turkey wings don't sound like a lot of meat - you may want to add more and eat the skin. 1 cup of salad. SF Jello with meal for dessert if desired.

Misc: you can have the juice of 1 lemon a day.

If you get hungry after supper, eat cold left over meat or cheese if you've haven't already ate 3 oz. If you need crunchy, salty - have pork rinds.

What do you think? Doable?

Try to drink 8 - 8 oz of water daily to flush out the fats
Take a high potency multi vitamin daily. Very important or else you will be depleted.

Give yourself 3-4 days of the above to get into ketosis and by day 5 - you should see a change in the scale (perhaps before then)
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No coffee?????
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The diet you indicated is great. But my one thing is the coffee, unfortunately I'm addicted.. I can do it without the sugar but I need a bit of cream. What do you think of switching the cheese snack for the coffee. Also, Ive gotten in 64 oz of water so far today.
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No coffee?????
Yes, coffee is allowed - 4 to 5 cups and I am a coffee drinker too.

In fact, I had been on 1 cup of regular coffee and the rest of the day de-caf prior to Atkins 72 but I discovered that my appetite got so little and I was kinda tired between meals that I drank regular coffee to keep me going for the Atkins 72 Induction. When I drink regular coffee, my appetite soars. Keep that in mind if you find yourself hungry during this Induction period. You may want to slack off the high octane and go decaf. Heavy cream in your coffee is fine.

You good with the water. I am not up to par with that because I drink too much decaf coffee. I try to make it up after supper - but then I am peeing all night long
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Thank you sooo much. I have my coffee and my meat. I can do this diet easy.
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I hate drinking water, but my secret is to leave a cup on the sink and everytime i go pee i drink a cup.
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I hate drinking water, but my secret is to leave a cup on the sink and everytime i go pee i drink a cup.
That's good advice...thanks - I'll try it!
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Thank you sooo much. I have my coffee and my meat. I can do this diet easy.
How are you doing on Atkins 72?
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I have 1 to 2 eggs for breakfast with coffee and 2 tbsp heavy cream. lunch is usually a meat and MAYBE a salad, dinner is a meat and always a salad (which is romaine lettuce only) snack is coffee with heavy cream. i usually cook everything in butter.
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I have 1 to 2 eggs for breakfast with coffee and 2 tbsp heavy cream. lunch is usually a meat and MAYBE a salad, dinner is a meat and always a salad (which is romaine lettuce only) snack is coffee with heavy cream. i usually cook everything in butter.
Jordan,
Sounds like you've got the plan down pat! Be careful not to stay on this too long. A week is recommended. Then go up 5 more carbs - you can add cottage cheese or more veggies. It can also get very boring with the food choices. I used to add all the veggies allowed to my salad. More nutrition - vitiamins.

Make sure you take a high potency multi-vitamin every day as well as calcium and magnesium. 500 mg calcium / 250 magnesium (if it's not already in your multi-vitamin. Vitamin C is important because you are lacking fruit.
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Morning all! I switched from the Grey Sheet food plan to Atkins '72 2 days ago and I feel FANTASTIC!

Having steak and eggs for breakfast.

This is easy and I am NOT HUNGRY! Whoohoo! Depression is gone too!
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Morning all! I switched from the Grey Sheet food plan to Atkins '72 2 days ago and I feel FANTASTIC!

Having steak and eggs for breakfast.

This is easy and I am NOT HUNGRY! Whoohoo! Depression is gone too!
Great!
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Ive given up on the eggs for a while (or i'll be puking for days). But the meats and salad are easy. plus im exercising daily and drinking about 100 oz of water a day. So far the pounds are falling off but Im sure it will slow down soon. Nothing this good lasts forever.
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Ive given up on the eggs for a while (or i'll be puking for days). But the meats and salad are easy. plus im exercising daily and drinking about 100 oz of water a day. So far the pounds are falling off but Im sure it will slow down soon. Nothing this good lasts forever.
You are doing good! Perhaps you can make Oopsie Rolls using mayo instead of cream cheese and then use them as pancakes. Melted butter and SF Maple Syrup! I also toasted them the next day in the toaster oven and spread butter and that was toast instead of eggs in my mind althugh Oppsies are really just eggs. I don't think you'll come to a stall very soon if you stay on plan and exercise the way you are. I wish I had the ambition to exercise. I probably wouldn't need to diet much.
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I was looking at the first post of this page and in the sample menu level one, it states diet revolution roll. I thought those had cottage cheese or cream cheese which wouldn't be allowed and then in sample menu i saw french dressing. Any french dressing I have looked at has a lot of carbs and sugar...Im confused???
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You are doing good! Perhaps you can make Oopsie Rolls using mayo instead of cream cheese and then use them as pancakes. Melted butter and SF Maple Syrup! I also toasted them the next day in the toaster oven and spread butter and that was toast instead of eggs in my mind althugh Oppsies are really just eggs. I don't think you'll come to a stall very soon if you stay on plan and exercise the way you are. I wish I had the ambition to exercise. I probably wouldn't need to diet much.
Thanks, but I dont eat any cheese, but I do use butter.

My daily meals look like this

B - sausage or bacon, sometimes 1/2 cup of coffee w/ heavy cream
L - meat
D - meat and cup of salad
s- 1/2 cup of coffee w/ heavy cream

And about 100 oz of water. Since starting this my appetite has drastically diminished.
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Thanks, but I dont eat any cheese, but I do use butter.

My daily meals look like this

B - sausage or bacon, sometimes 1/2 cup of coffee w/ heavy cream
L - meat
D - meat and cup of salad
s- 1/2 cup of coffee w/ heavy cream

And about 100 oz of water. Since starting this my appetite has drastically diminished.
[COLOR="Black"]No, I meant to substitute Mayonaise for the cream cheese. Cream cheese isn't for Atins 72 Induction. The Oopsie Rolls are then made with eggs, mayo, seasoning and that's it. A protein breakfast.[/COLOR]

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I was looking at the first post of this page and in the sample menu level one, it states diet revolution roll. I thought those had cottage cheese or cream cheese which wouldn't be allowed and then in sample menu i saw french dressing. Any french dressing I have looked at has a lot of carbs and sugar...Im confused???
The diet revolution rolls on 1972 Atkins per the book I have does have cottage cheese which would not be allowed until 1 week of Induction. That's why I suggested the mayonaise, which is allowed. I've never tried it but others have and say it's just as good.

I have made these and found that using Guar gum makes the egg whites stiff better and faster. New and improved. I also add 1 egg white more than what the recipe calls for. The key to oopsies is having more fluffy egg white than yolk - which makes them fluffy and high - not eggy and flat

Later...someone came up with a new improved Diet Revol roll which they subbed the cottage cheese for the cream cheese and called it Oopsie rolls.
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I am still waiting for my book. It's taking forever, or maybe I am just impatient. LOL.

How long before I can have FAGE yogurt?
Do you think it would be a bad thing if I would allow it during induction?
I started a few weeks ago, slipped up, and now am picking up where I left off. I never moved up (5 extra carbs and so forth)...I pretty much stuck to protein, fat, and 2 c. salad veggies.
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How long is the most time someone's stayed on this diet - I'm talking about 1st week levels of carbs?
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Ive been doing it 11 days now and down 15 lbs . But I see it as a lifestyle change not a diet.
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Jordan, thanks for the reply. I also see low carbing as a lifetime commitment - what I meant was how long do you stay on induction level carbs - as there are some people who say it is unhealthy to stay at such low levels, and others who live on zero carb for several years. I realise it is a very personal choice and you have to do what makes you feel best, not what the person next to you says will make you feel best. I guess what I'm weary of, is if I stay on these levels of carbs (for the last 4 weeks I've been under 10 grams, mostly under 5 grams), once I decide I do want to eat a few more carbs, that my body will have developed an intolerance (even greater to the one I already had!). Any thoughts?
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