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Old 11-01-2013, 11:49 PM   #331
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Joining the thread if I may. Fell off the wagon with the carbs and the alcohol recently and just coming back from a 5 day carb binge. I lost a bunch of weight in one month 28 lbs or so (bet with friend - a little extreme) then when I hit the carbs again I hit them hard. Now I am dealing with bad carb/alcohol cravings.

It is funny how easily I forget the misery of readjusting to low carb after I have adapted. I vaguely remember suffering and cursing myself for straying, but then days turn into weeks and after weeks the suffering becomes a distant memory. Have I done so much damage with alcohol binges that I am not all there in the head?

Like most people with problems with the drink I always seem to talk myself into it - I'm going to stop tomorrow. I am just going to have one or two. Sometimes I even manage to have a couple for a few days, but then it always becomes more with time. I am starting to see a pattern.. does this mean I have to chuck it for good? I heard that if you're drinking to feel better then chances are you don't have a healthy relationship with alcohol.
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Welcome Honosewen. It's possible you may have to chuck it for good. Personaly, I found it easier to just make it part of my foodplan. Meaning, there are some things I just don't eat. Sugar and grains make alcohol. So I refrain from eating/drinkng sugar, grains, alcohol, starchy carbs and dairy (except greek yogurt). It is like a physical allergy. When I eat the stuff I either eat/drink too much, can't stop, swell up, get sick (stomach) or feel lousy. I am slo allergic to avocados (vomit like it was food poisoning) And don't eat them either. But it took a lifetime to convince me. I haven't had any since July 9, 2011 this time and the cravings to have any are held at bay for today. My first reaction to life was to eat or drink that stuff. So long as I don't take the first bite or sip, I have been retrained to find other ways to react to life. I love to walk today, read, pray, write, talk to trusted friends, social media to vent. I don't have to eat/drink today to feel good. Any feeling would have triggered me, happy, sad, it didn't matter. I have to be vigilant today so that the food/drink demons don't take up a conversation in my brain. If I find myself angry, fearful, resentful, I have a plan today. You can too. Some folks think that someday they will be able to eat/drink like a normal person. I thought so too and tested the waters over the years. I am 65 yr old now and wasted half of my life testing the waters not only affecting my life but that of my husband and children. I don't plan to lose any more time.

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Welcome,Hoonose . . . today is always a good day to start, eh?
Michele, I love your pic . . . deliciously halloweenish
I am on a new challenge. No drinking through early January. Along with the regular, stay on my WOE. Increase my exercise just a bit.
I did three years in a row without drinking., so I know I can. Drinking has become more like a food item I need to avoid. It's amazing though how the mind plays tricks. There have been times when I recognize the trick and just go ahead. Oh well, I think for now my head is on straight. Out to dinner with some women friends tonight. I am not tempted to drink with them. Greek salad works well for food. I'll check the menu thought just to be sure. They are light drinkers so rarely more than one round for them.
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Old 11-02-2013, 01:18 PM   #334
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I would also like to join. My body cannot handle drinking when I am in ketosis. I am currently doing hcg and have drank vodka twice. Both times I drank a few drinks and then had no memory of the rest of the night. Thank god I drink at home. Normally I drink wine but I didn't want the sugar. I do not want to wake up again wondering what happened. I know drinking has been a problem for me and I guess it's time to handle it before it kills me.
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Old 11-02-2013, 01:44 PM   #335
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:34 AM   #336
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Welcome Honosewen. It's possible you may have to chuck it for good. Personaly, I found it easier to just make it part of my foodplan. Meaning, there are some things I just don't eat. Sugar and grains make alcohol. So I refrain from eating/drinkng sugar, grains, alcohol, starchy carbs and dairy (except greek yogurt). It is like a physical allergy. When I eat the stuff I either eat/drink too much, can't stop, swell up, get sick (stomach) or feel lousy. I am slo allergic to avocados (vomit like it was food poisoning) And don't eat them either. But it took a lifetime to convince me. I haven't had any since July 9, 2011 this time and the cravings to have any are held at bay for today. My first reaction to life was to eat or drink that stuff. So long as I don't take the first bite or sip, I have been retrained to find other ways to react to life. I love to walk today, read, pray, write, talk to trusted friends, social media to vent. I don't have to eat/drink today to feel good. Any feeling would have triggered me, happy, sad, it didn't matter. I have to be vigilant today so that the food/drink demons don't take up a conversation in my brain. If I find myself angry, fearful, resentful, I have a plan today. You can too. Some folks think that someday they will be able to eat/drink like a normal person. I thought so too and tested the waters over the years. I am 65 yr old now and wasted half of my life testing the waters not only affecting my life but that of my husband and children. I don't plan to lose any more time.

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Thanks for the kind words! Staying vigilant.. I like that! We really do have to learn to watch ourselves and learn to "nip it at the bud" - don't we?

I definitely relate to your saying that any kind of emotion is a trigger for you. I see a lot of myself in that, I too want to eat/drink anytime I get excited, upset, happy, sad, inspired or anything that gets me worked up for that matter.

I also have the problem of feeling like I like I'm more relaxed and sociable after I have a few. I also am a happy camper when I chow down, lol.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:37 AM   #337
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I would also like to join. My body cannot handle drinking when I am in ketosis. I am currently doing hcg and have drank vodka twice. Both times I drank a few drinks and then had no memory of the rest of the night. Thank god I drink at home. Normally I drink wine but I didn't want the sugar. I do not want to wake up again wondering what happened. I know drinking has been a problem for me and I guess it's time to handle it before it kills me.
I can relate to that. Back in my days of 3+ times a week of drinking heavily I got to the point where I'd start having blackouts. The next day I wouldn't remember what happened after a certain point. I still get those if I drink too heavily. The bad part of it is that I seem to think I'm invincible during it and can make some really poor decisions during the time.
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:10 PM   #338
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I too make bad decisions. I'm smart enough to stay off my phone and the computer but I can say vicious things to those I love. It's gotten to the point that it isn't fun anymore and that's a good thing. Got through yesterday fine and now I don't have to worry about it until my next day off. Trigger points.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:47 AM   #339
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4th Day and going strong. I want to make it at least a couple months. Keeping to the diet too, almost back down to where I was before the carb binge - 224.6 today was 220.
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Old 11-04-2013, 04:16 AM   #340
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So glad to see some more faces! Yall can do it. If I have been AF this long, anyone can, I swear. I have the most unhealthy relationship with alcohol. Nov. 9th, this Saturday, it will be 6 months since I drank alcohol.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:15 AM   #343
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Thank you Bella.

I'm really really stressed out right now because I found out I have a MRSA infection in my ears. I'm freaking out. I've always had problems with my ears, I've made several threads in the PG about it, found an ENT at the beginning of 2013, he has helped with the itching and infections, but nothing heals it. Last week he did a swab and it's MRSA. I'm so scared at this point. I'm on strong anti biotics right now and I have an appointment with him Thursday but right now I'm scared. I need to stay off the internet lol.
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:19 AM   #344
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Praying for you, Michelle, that this heals quickly. Good thing you found out what it is. It lets you take the appropriate action. And Congrats! On your six months!
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Thank you Mary. That means a lot. I've been so stressed out but I've just been praying for strength and healing. My Dr. appointment is tomorrow so I can finally get some answers. I've also already found an Infectious Disease specialist if it comes to that. My aunt works at a specialty clinic, and he's located in there, so I'm going to ask her to hook me up if I do have to do something like that.

I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, though, because my ENT is really really wonderful.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:09 AM   #346
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Hi Michelle, I am on this thread here under a new name, used to be Bella. I had a couple of drinks last week at a conference and a bag of popcorn. They were free, not a good excuse I know. I really need to put in a longer stretch though, because even though I don't think I did lots of damage, I always do better the longer distance I am from drinking. It certainly doesn't help my weight loss . . . I am not gaining but definitely stalled. I wish I could post better success, but I am determined to tell the truth, and that's it.

You are really amazing. kutgw!
How are things with your ears? Sounds scary . . I have a hearing loss and any infections really spook me.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:33 AM   #348
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I just have to say Michelle you a an inspiration. Thank you for this thread.

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Michelle, how did the doctor's appt go? One thing I read was that many skin problems are caused by dairy products. I finally let go of greek yogurt aboy 10 days ago and substituted it for silken tofu to mix with my pumpkin. It is working out even better than I could have imagined. I can warm the dish up so it is like having something right from the oven.

Hope you are able to stay with your day count thru all this chaos. It is the one steadying force going iwith you. Prayers for you.
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Thought I'd (a dude) join this thread.

I was a part of the previous thread, and one of those who just wanted to cut down.

Well, naturally, the ketogenic lifestyle pretty much started making moderation automatic because three drinks within two hours would have me beyond hammered. And even that turned into drinking once or twice every few weeks.

In context, that means from when I first started low-carbing, generally drinking once or twice a week and large volumes (often an entire fifth in a 3-4hr period) to three drinks in a 3 or so hour period once every few weeks. Though not quite as hammered as when I started and not doing embarrassing drunk things, the whole ketogenic thing made drinking an often unenjoyable experience.

So even though I technically improved on moderation, I decided it's not worth it at all anymore. Because I track everything I consume, it became real obvious that a night of drinking essentially cost me one or two 45 minutes of rather intense cardio (in a caloric sense) and was working against my progress - no matter how keto friendly the booze. Sure, I'd still make it under my calorie goal that's already at a 20% deficit, sure it was only every few weeks and no longer in copious quantity, but realizing how much effort I put into the gym and relating that to the calorie load of booze, it's become much easier to shrug it off. Not to mention, even in moderation, there's a lot better use for the money spent on alcohol.

So here I am, Day 7 (well around 11:30PM last Monday was my last drink so close to 7) for me as I had a few drinks when out with friends last Monday. The last time I drank before that was Oct 25. Thus, I'm joining a more abstinent thread to keep myself accountable with others.

Thanks for having me! (I imagine you will :P)
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Hayek, welcome aboard. It's great to have to join us.
Very well done is getting a week under your belt (so to speak).
Alcohol is so not worth it.
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Welcome, Hayek! It's always nice to have a fellow traveler join the journey. Congrats! On your awarenesses and the one week milestone.

Patience, do you want us to still call you Bella or the new name? Why the change?

I hope Michelle is okay. It's been a while since we've heard from her.

Hi Pcaitman, Are you a newbie too? Or an OBG returning? Hello! Regardless.

Hope you all have a great week!
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Hi all,

I was on a thread years ago. Went through a lot moved 4 times and in and out of the hospital ending in spinal surgery. Gain a lot of weight with all that and the meds I was on, but need to get it off to help my spine. Hubby agreed it's a lot of money and really not needed so today is day 3 for both of us. He is better than it am at sticking to this because I do enjoy my white wine on weekends, but I am here and ready for the challenge.

Thanks all you really inspire me to do better.......
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Drive by posting. I'm ok. Very very busy. No time to post much the last couple days. Just been so busy with everything. Still AF, coming on 7 months I think.

Welcome to the new guys/ladies. So glad to have yall.

Yall can do it if I can. It was very hard in the beginning but the longer you go, the less you think about it.
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I won't go into details, but today has been absolutely dreadful and exceptionally draining.

Normally these types of events aren't a trigger for me, but today it was very tempting...

The bright side? It was just temptation. I kept reminding myself it wasn't worth it and the reasons why and skipped out on picking anything up to calm my nerves and decompress.

So still chugging along without the alcohol.
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Keep racking up those days, pcalt.
Good job talking yourself out of that drink, Hyek. Sometimes just a little good self talk like that gets us past the cravings.
Mary, I just liked the name Patience, as it describes the state of mind I am aspiring to.
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It is a beautiful name, Patience. I remember when I was younger with my kids and praying for patience. God gifted me with so many opportunities to practice it and still does. Some days are good and some not.

Good going! Pacltman and Hyek. The cravings do pass just like they do for the food. It helps to have backup plans for when they hit. Like what other behaviors can you engage in besides eating or drinking when it happens. Since for me it is usually a feeling that generates the reaction, I need a backp plan. It is good to feel the feeling, so I find it helpful to call or write or read or pray or walk, either engaging another person to dissipate the feeling if it is negative or to share the joy if it is positive. Feeling feelings today is such a gift. The cravings do pass and it does get easier as long as you don't pick up the first sip/bite. I recently heard my boss say, she would lose weight except whenever she starts to eat such and such, she can't stop. I replied, you might need to consider not eating the first bite. Instead she is thinking of the bylass surgery. I said that is pretty drastic to cut down on her ability to eat a lot. Told her her body will adjust to the surgery within one to two years if she doesn't seriously commit to making a life style change. She will regain it if she starts eating again in the manner she was accustomed. I said instead of the surgery I use a kitchen scale. It represents my stomach and how much it can hold.

Drinking for me had to be part of my foodplan. It is one of thise things that I don't have no matter what. It was a trigger that would get me into the food big time and I would lose all my inhibitions. I don't want the old life anymore. I really like my life today. I just wish I had discovered this all in my 20's or 30's instead of 50's and 60's. if you are young, grab onto to the life line and don't let go. You will have a life beyond your wildest dreams.
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Hi all,

I have to confess I had some wine with hubby yesterday. He took the day off work to spend time with me without 4 kids around. It was so nice, a little date day Anyway we had some wine, which I am not upset about at all, because I chose to not just had to have it to help me de-stress.

I am probably different in that I don't crave alcohol and hate everything but white wine, but started to realize I was drinking to de-stress myself and that's not good. Today will be day 1 again. I want to get through all the stress of Thanksgiving and 16 people at my house without having wine. That's my goal really.... I am very impressed with all of you.

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