Binge Eating Disorder

[xbeyondthebeautyx]

I am on day 2 of induction and I feel pretty crappy Ive heard of this refered to as the Low Carb Flu??? When will it get better?

[galexina]

On the 3rd book, Eclipse. Hooked!!!!!!!

[galexina]

I binged on chocalate tonight. But am happy that I am typing instead of eating more.
I have a really bad headache and ate chocalate knowing it would make it worse.
But just wanted it and ate it and lots of .

Gonna stay the course and not do extreme dieting tomorrow but eat mindfully
and nourshing. Hey would any body like to get on the chat function
on this site? Us bingers can meet on there. I am going to log on to chat nightly and hope one of you all show up. Night Night

gal

[CindyCRNA]

Beyondthebeauty, I was reduced carbs before i went full blown low carb so I really didn't get it but I've read 1 1/2 to 10 days, depending on how many carbs you were eating before. Make sure you get plenty of fat as your body will use that for energy and will help with the symptoms. It does end and it is a "right of passage" we all went through so hang in there. Keep writing We know you feel like crap. It does pass and what is amazing is even carbs really don't look appealing. Now bacon is another story!! Galexina, I bet it is either the caffeine in chocolate or the sugar. I find if I have a chocolate craving, I make coconut oil fudge. There is a lot of conversation on this forum about coconut oil, how it is a medium chain fatty acid and is used almost instantly for energy, unlike a lot of fats. Some claim it makes them warmer because of the increase in metabolism, it doesn't happen with me but it does others. Helps a lot when you are low carbing. You may not be a low carber but I find if I eat sugar, it becomes a free for all.

[galexina]

Thank so much Cindy. For now I am not low carbing. But may again soon.
Just really needed grains to get my digestive track moving again.

I love this site per there is constant contact. And use alot of the recipts .

[ChaseMama]

Laura - it will go away I promise! I had it bad too. I'm now over a month of low carb and I feel great. And no binges either!

A post I read on page one of this thread really struck home with me - the sneaking part. Hiding it from my loved ones - husband, parents, etc... That has been the pattern my whole life. It's like sometimes I almost "want" to get caught. I remember waiting until the second my husband drives out of the drive way I make a mad dash for the kitchen. Or standing at the window eating as much as I can and watching to make sure he doesn't come home. Or arranging what is left of food to make it look like not that much is gone. Ugh. WHY?

[i.am.jenn]

Sorry guys, like I mentioned before I get so busy Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday that I'm just not around. But as of 2:00 today it is SPRING BREAK! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Originally Posted by CindyCRNA

I read somewhere that when we eat when we are not hungry, we are attempting to change the way our body feels. I try to remember that when i am tired and rummaging around in the fridge or depressed or exhausted. I realize that what I really need is a nap, get more sleep, quit signing up for all that overtime, quit drinking too much coffee, quit stringing my body out, then trying to over stuff it with food to compensate for a way too stressful lifestyle. I try to remember that the quick fix of a muffin is going to be brief and not fix the fact that I got to bed at 4 am. I am trying not to use food as a drug. I say, "I try". It doesn't always work but I am winning more and more.

I would agree that I am definitely out of touch with my body. I solve everything with food. My brain is happy and my body is fat fatty fat. We are getting to know each other. It's pretty awesome.

Originally Posted by CaitSith

Good girl I love that you said this: ...today they have no power over me!!

4 days without a binge. I feel better this week than I have in a long time. I will stay strong.

I have worked with myself on quite a few of my issues by realizing that my "issues" have power over me. I had test anxiety and I was hurting myself by failing when I could have passed but I was too nervous to think clearly. So I worked on it and I'm pretty relaxed for exams now. They are just another thing to do in a day. I'm hoping to work through this eating disorder and see it in a similar way.

Originally Posted by galexina

I love that you said "try" just today I was thinking I would love to only eat food for fuel.
But reatistically I know I will always probaly eat for pleasure too.
So I like a happy medium, which is I hope to eat mostly for fuel and some of the time
for pleasure. I can very much relate to eating instead of sleeping, actually eating over and for everything. Its nice to share the journey.

I talked with my counselor today and we talked about being "an eater". I can fight the fact that I am an eater or I can learn to eat healthier more acceptable foods most of the time. Today I'm eating cheerios instead of doritos. It's not perfect but it's a dang good start!

Originally Posted by xbeyondthebeautyx

1 DAY BINGE FREE!!!!!! I stayed on plan

Congrats! You can do this! We all can!!!

Originally Posted by Loveton

I unfortunately can relate to the binging. It's been two weeks since my last one and I'm feeling pretty good. But in the back of my mind is the worry of the next urge and will I be able to fight it off?? I have gained and lost the same 15 pounds for the last 6 months and it's driving me NUTS. I'll be on plan for a few weeks then have a binge weekend/week and gain back the 15 or so I lost. I'm a fast food and sweets binger...we have three fast food places in my town and I have been known to frequent them all in the same night. Unfortunately it's looking like I've passed the habit onto my daughters. Even though you think everything is in secret its very rarely is. When the box of Tastykakes we just bought are suddenly gone...they tend to wonder why or when there are empty food bags in the trunk. Now I drive a mini van so there is not much room for hiding. I have yet to figure out the reason for the binges but I'm starting to keep track...I can be on plan for a month or more when all of a sudden on the way home from work or on the way in...I need donuts then it's all over. I can sometimes fight the urge off but never for long. I have an all or nothing personality so one slip and the weekend/week is a full blown binge fest. I am beginning to wonder if maybe it's connected to the scale...or that I'm "lonely". I'm a single mother of 3...the oldest being 18 and the youngest 2. I don't go out since having had my youngest and spend very little time "away" besides work. Not sure what the issue is yet but working on it! Hugs to everyone...we can beat this "addiction" or at least learn to control it. I'm tired of being controlled by food and the scale!

I hear you! I have sooo many issues with my eating. Now that I'm allowing myself to eat whatever I can analyze what is going through my head when I eat and I've realized the last few days that I genuinely feel like it's always the last... I feel like I'll NEVER eat another cheeseburger or chips or whatever again for the rest of all eternity and I MUST gobble this one up as quickly as possible. Now to explore why I feel so deprived... this is a new demon that needs addressing!

Originally Posted by Loveton

I went a year once with no binges at all. Unfortunately I replaced the binging with smoking and buying things. I quit smoking and am SLOWLY paying off my credit card debit...so don't want to go back there! I need to find something productive to cope. I'm working on exercise right now, seems to be working but time will tell! (fingers crossed)

Since one binge always trades for another I am wanting to attack it all. WHY must I do this to myself? Good luck paying the credit card debt. That stuff will kill you quicker and more painfully than cigarettes or a giant vat of salty grease.

Originally Posted by Starzmom

Crafts are something good to do,too.

I need a hobby! Apparently it's a game on FB because I have to play it ALL the time. Hobbies are good for us. Something to keep us busy.

Originally Posted by galexina

Great Laura. What a miracle. One day is AWESOME
I think I am on day 3 not sure. This site is really helping.
Trying to keep it up when working so if I feel bingey, I can vent.

Cara

It's all one day at a time! You can do this!!! We all can!

There should be another post... this is all from one page.

[i.am.jenn]

Originally Posted by ChaseMama

A post I read on page one of this thread really struck home with me - the sneaking part. Hiding it from my loved ones - husband, parents, etc... That has been the pattern my whole life. It's like sometimes I almost "want" to get caught. I remember waiting until the second my husband drives out of the drive way I make a mad dash for the kitchen. Or standing at the window eating as much as I can and watching to make sure he doesn't come home. Or arranging what is left of food to make it look like not that much is gone. Ugh. WHY?

I have no idea why I must hide it. I share EVERYTHING with DH. I do the similar. I've watched him pull out of the driveway. I hide things in cabinets so he won't know I have them... even the things that he won't want.

I don't know yet, but it's something I'm working on.

Gotta run!

[galexina]

Hey friends, the last few nights there have been quite a few people on the chat site. I thought we should all try to jump on there and say hello.
It really helped, per I was able to be honest about me binging and get some
really helpful insight and lots of support. I will go on there nightly
hopefully I get to chat with some of you fellow journiers soon.

I am referring to the chat function on this site.

[xbeyondthebeautyx]

Im on day four of induction....Feeling better....No Cheats No Binge!!! I havent weighed waiting until tuesday thats 7 days!

[i.am.jenn]

Congrats!

[Smythe]

Hello everyone
I struggle with the same thing and have been in a binge cycle for months now. I have eaten off plan and regain a serious amount of weight. I lost 0lbs a few years back and kept it off for 2 years- then the bottom fell out and here I am again at square 1. My eating is triggered by stress for sure, and unfortunately my life is stressful. Food works to calm those jitters as well as valium would I suppose. So I have once again said today is the day....I'm going to eat on plan- plan my meals and get back into the gym. That's the plan anyway. I have no clothes that fit me and I rarely go out of the house except to work because I'm ashamed of my weight gain. Sux. Glad I found you guys!

[CaitSith]

Hi all,

This afternoon, I was going to binge. I had a crappy night last night. I fought with DH before bed and we went to bed angry. I got up and went straight to work without talking to him. On the way, I wanted to pull into Tim Hortons and binge on whatever I could get my greedy hands on (emotional eating...ackk). When I puilled into the drive-thru window, it had a sign up " debit machine out of order, please pay with cash or credit card". Since, I dont carry cash and dont have a credit card to my name, I was out of luck. By the time I backed out of the drive-thru driveway to continue on to work, the feeling of wanting to binge passed. I was thwarted by a broken debit machine and thankful for it.

I am more than a week without an emotional eating binge.

[Smythe]

Cait- LOL sounds like devine intervention

I reread my post above and realized that I said I lost 0 lbs Duh! I lost 70 lbs and kept it off for 2 years then the bottom fell out and I've regained 60lbs.

Yesterday was a good day! I have my first egg cream, ate on plan all day and walked 2 miles. Today is another day. I have to use the "1 day at a time" mentality. I think that will help.

[CindyCRNA]

Smythe, even though I am at my goal weight, I plan every days eating. For us, the planning never stops, even when you lose the weight. If left to my own devices, I would over eat at every meal. I have NO concept of portion control. I use Fitday like a religion! I weigh and measure everything. It makes me stay in control. Caitsyth, thank God for broken ATMs! That is interesting though when given a little time, the need to binge passed. A lot of people say that. I just have a hard time waiting it out. I've been good though. Even though I've only been LC for 2 months and a confirmed carboholic, I can pass a cookie and not be tempted. Now bacon, thats another story.

[Smythe]

Hi Cindy- you'd think I would have learned that lesson by now! When I reached goal I swore I would never end up back here. 2 years of maintaining...and that was the hardest fight I've ever fought- and then 1 meal, 1 day, 1 week, 1 year later I sit with nearly all the weight back on.
I don't know how I lost sight of the fact that nothing is worth the shame and guilt that I suffer when in the grip of this disorder. No piece of food is worth this- but I got lulled into complacency- I thought I was invincible.

[CaitSith]

Originally Posted by Smythe

I don't know how I lost sight of the fact that nothing is worth the shame and guilt that I suffer when in the grip of this disorder. No piece of food is worth this- but I got lulled into complacency- I thought I was invincible.

This is so true...This happens to me at least once a year...I get down within 10lbs of goal weight and I get too cocky and too complacent, thinking I am ALL that...then, I lose it. I go out of control. Its that " I am so close, I can just eat normally (non-LC and non-portion-controlled)" train of thought. Guess what? I cant...I have to always be vigilant..evey portion measured with calories counted. I am not one of those lucky people that can eat LC without counting cals. I always have to count cals and be careful.

[Smythe]

me too Cait. I guess we all have the same struggles.
I made corned beef and cabbage w/red potatoes today. I did not have the potatoes or the soda bread but there was definately potatoe "sludge" in my cabbage. Normal people would say "so what". I'm worried I'll lose my grip. I do feel like I need a snack. I'll wait that out for now. If necessary I'll do a legal snack. I have a breakfast casserole in the oven now to help get me thru the week! Planning is half the battle. I really need to get a few days under my belt- get into ketosis- then things will get a bit easier..I hope!

[galexina]

I can so relate, Smythe. I have been binging all weekend. Lets not give up together.
Its so hard when we keep falling off the wagon.
Not sure what to do anymore but gonna keep the faith. Have too.

Love and support Cara

[galexina]

Caitlyn , that is amazing. I binged out of boredom and habit Friday and Saturday night.
That is wonderful that you made it through a week.

Cara

[galexina]

Hi Cindy
funny you should post what you did about planning and weighing and measuring. I have come to a stong conclusion this weekend. That I was an out of control eater before
I ever started dieting. Dieting did not make me start binging. It was opposite.
Its like my portion control mehcanism is completly non existant.

I was thinking this weekend. That I have to weight and measure and plan as much
as I can per I totally fall of the wagon with out portion control and eating
trigger foods, especially sugars, popcorn, mostly high carbs.

I would love to get an idea how u portion your day, if you would not mind
writing a day of food and how you measure your portions.

I was on grey sheet for a while, which was so simple it was almost a relief.

We ate 4 0z of protein at breafast, lunch, dinner
1 fruit for breakfast and only certain ones.

Lunch had 8 oz cooked veggies, 8 oz raw
.5 oz oil, butter, some kind of sugar free fat

Dinner
12 - 16 0z raw
8 oz cooked veggies
1.5 oz fat

It actually really satiated me and I lost weight quickly on it.
The only problem is i dont feel weighing and a measuring in a restraunt
is something I want to do when I am out. But I still need to use
stricted eye ball weighing and measuring.

[kristio]

Anybody ever protein binge? I swear I have been eating eating eating all day today... not a true "binge," but my heavens I have been eating soooo much. Mind you, it's all meat, but still.... I don't feel like eating right now, so hopefully it will pass soon. I was the same way yesterday... ARGH!

[Smythe]

I don't think I've ever binged on protein only- certainly I have "had to have a hamburger or die" but that came with the fries and was followed by cookies or whatever else I could get my hands on. I am a fiend when in the throes of a binge- then I pass out just like a drunk. Crazy- but while I'm eating like that there is both a sense of urgency and a sense of relief.

Does anyone else here suffer from anxiety? I can't help but feel these 2 things are related for me. The binged quells the anxiety {{sigh}}.
Have a healthy day everyone!

[Loveton]

I gave into the binge yesterday...why do I continue to do this to myself. Started with donuts, moved on to chips & dip, crackers, pizza, then cupcakes. After that I sat down feeling SICK! And passed out from 8-11. I was drunk from all the carbs and sugar. Today I feel a little like I have a hangover. I HATE this feel so why do I continue to binge on carbs/sugar like that!! But I'm back on plan today...all I can say is thank goodness it happen on Sunday night so it was only a 1/2 day binge not a whole weekend!

[Mogget]

Originally Posted by Smythe

I am a fiend when in the throes of a binge- then I pass out just like a drunk. Crazy- but while I'm eating like that there is both a sense of urgency and a sense of relief.

Does anyone else here suffer from anxiety? I can't help but feel these 2 things are related for me. The binged quells the anxiety {{sigh}}.
Have a healthy day everyone!

I don't have issues with bingeing anymore, but when I did Anxiety was big trigger for me, so I can definitely relate. Getting the anxiety under control helped a LOT, but even more useful to me was using certain NLP techniques to sort out the issues causing the anxiety and to feel relief without food, then to unlink food from the sense of relief.

[Smythe]

hi Loveton-
I feel hungover too after a binge. It is like being on a bender only we are not drinking- we are getting our initial relief from the food/sugar and then we cross the line, pass out and spend the next day feeling like crap and being riddled with guilt.

But what is that relief I feel from the first few bites- the urgency that that pushes me do this and then the euphoria/relief that follows. What the heck is that???

If I could find a way to get that same relief another way- that would be the ticket! I think exercise is one way to help with this. When I was able to run I felt like I could conquer the world! I started walking again- 2 miles Sat and today. It's a start!

[CindyCRNA]

Galexina, I have a scale I bought on line but I think you could get at any kitchen supply place that measures grams, ounces and pounds and I weigh everything. At a restaurant, it's impossible. I like to frequent places that have their nutrition info online but that is not always possible. Yesterday, had lunch with a friend at a Mexican restaurant. I had steak fajitas with grilled jalapenos, a tablespoon of sour cream and brought my own low carb tortilla. They usually use skirt steak for fajitas and it looked to be 8oz, raw. That would be a typical serving. To really know, you could ask the manager how many ounces it is. I was able to look up on Fitday how many calories, ect for 8oz of skirt steak and add that to the days menu in Fitday. Here is what yesterday looked like:
B: 2 slices Low Carb toast from Julian Bakery (1 carb, 12 grams fiber, 12 grams protein each slice)
1T coconut oil blended with 2T butter to smear on toast
2T calorie/carb free strawberry jam from Walden Farms
L: 1 Mama Lupes lc tortills
8oz skirt steak
1T sour cream
1 bell pepper (that is to cover the japaleno, I could have just looked up japaleno)
2 T oil (prob. what they used to fry the steak and peppers)
Snak: 1 serving pork rinds (14 grams, I weighed this as I can't eyeball a serving)
D: Had a lot of protein today so really need to be light for dinner
250 grams raw broccoli, cooked (250 grams is 3 cups but weighing is easier)
1 1/2 T homemade coconut oil mayo, melted (melted, this stuff is like holandaise) over the broccoli
3 oz broiled salmon (broiled a large one, cut off a piece and weighed it. Had to keep cutting till it was 3 oz)
I will usually sit down the nite before on Fitday and plan out the next day. I aim for 60-65% fat, 20-25% protein 10-20% carbs. I don't eat, then put it in Fitday, I plan the day first, adjusting portions until the proportions come out right, then eat what I've planned. I have ZERO portion control. Portion control for me is when I'm in a carb coma and can't eat!! This works most of the time. Fitday takes a little practice but is well worth the effort. Let me state this : I HAVE ZERO PORTION CONTROL!!! If I don't do it this way, I have no clue how much I'm eating. I can easily eat like a man so it is a daily struggle and always will be. It is a constant search for the right diet/food/ proportions that will make me quit obsessing on food!

[Smythe]

Originally Posted by Mogget

I don't have issues with bingeing anymore, but when I did Anxiety was big trigger for me, so I can definitely relate. Getting the anxiety under control helped a LOT, but even more useful to me was using certain NLP techniques to sort out the issues causing the anxiety and to feel relief without food, then to unlink food from the sense of relief.

What are NLP Techniques??


I had a ridiculous battle today at work. We did a St Paddy's day spread and I did not have the potatoes but did have a slice of soda bread. Bad idea. By the time the day was over I was seriously Jonesin' for the carrot cake, more soda bread, apple pie- you name it. I even thought about stealing the cake and sneaking it out of the building. Absolute insanity triggered by eating 1 stupid thing off plan. Ladies I thought about stealing the cake so I could eat the entire thing at home UGH!! Oh and it was a birthday cake for my boss. If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny!
The good news is I didn't do it, but I am horrified that I considered it
.
Anyway, 1 more hurdle tonight when we meet friends for a St Paddy's day celebration. I hope to maintain my composure because that fiendish side of me is just nuts!

[CindyCRNA]

Smythe, I would have had the same thing happen if I had 1 piece of bread. I have learned not to take even a bite. If I know there is going to be food, bring a dish of something you can eat. I have had someone dear make something, cut me a nice big piece, put it in my hands and want my opinion. I took a bite, (had to fight cravings the rest of the day!) raved and thanked her profusely, acted like my intention was to eat that piece and 1 more, then toss it when she left. Later, I told her how great it was and that I even had another slice!! Ok, this all was a lie, mind you, but she was just beaming and it was well worth the deception.

[Mogget]

Originally Posted by Smythe

What are NLP Techniques??

NLP is Neuro-Linguistic Programming - a system of modelling (recreating/transferring) excellence/skills developed in about the late 60's 70's by Bandler and Grinder. If you think of your brain as computer hardware and te way you think/believe/undertsand and do things as your programming or software - then NLP is learning the programming language to make changes in the software. Basically you can change your brain, your reactions to things, your beliefs, your values, your interpretations, your comprehension and your actions.

I am highly trained, highly skilled and very practised in NLP and finally decided to start applying it to my weight loss (for many years I was determined to do it "without NLP" - which is a bit like deciding that I want to go about daily life and not use my hands any more... possible but oh so much more difficult and totally pointless).

There are numerous application patterns (programs for change) that have been modelled over the years which can be used to erase cravings, change feelings, destroy compulsions, lay in new behaviours, change limiting beliefs, create attraction to things which are good for us etc. I have been using these as and when needed. Mostly for myself I have been building up my self esteem and self worth, and doing some techniques that reduce anxiety/overreaction to imagined scenarios (catastrophising my favorite hobby!) - that has greatly reduced the triggering type events... plus much more.

NLP is really useful, but a bit like hairdressing - the skill of individual practitioners varies WILDLY and the flashiest sign or highest price does not indicate the best result - look for people with clients who have great hair instead! Also it CAN be done by yourself on yourself... just like a haircut - results will depend on the training and skill of the one weilding the scissors.

you can find out more about NLP here - these are sites of 3 trainers I know well and have trained with, very reputable.

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