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Old 07-05-2006, 03:01 PM   #1
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Alcohol Problems

Hi,

I haven't seen an alcohol-related thread in this section since I began visiting the site and as this website is such a fantastic source of support for those struggling with weight and learning to change lifestyles I thought I'd open one. I'm a recovering alcoholic and if anyone would like to chat about their alcohol-related difficulties, I'm around to listen.

Because I tend to be a very obssessive person, with a strongly addictive personality, I love LC eating because it frees me from worrying about food. I know exactly where I stand; I always know what I can and can't eat, and I never have to worry about portion size/calories. This is so important to me because I have all the trouble I can deal with staying sober. I cannot afford to let food sap my energy. Thank God for Dr. Atkins - I love to eat free from guilt/shame!

That's all from me for now - I just wanted anyone who may be struggling with alcohol out there to know they aren't alone.
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Old 07-23-2006, 12:32 PM   #2
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Trust me, we are not the only 2. I have started my diet today which includes no alcohol.. I have probably had a min of a bottle of wine a night for the past 3 years. Weekend was a lot more. It seems I am an all or nothing type of person. Right now my only reason for quiting drinking is the weight gain..
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Yep, calories in alcohol are soooooooo unfair! I too am an all or nothing type of person. I find it so easy to stay on plan once I get on track, but if I deviate then I'm in for trouble. I tried to use LC to control my drinking for a long time but eventually had to let drinking go in order to live LC properly. Much easier for me, and better for my mental health. Once I stopped drinking my decade long struggle with "depression" ended. No more tablets, no more panic attacks, no more sucidal thoughts. For me, it was the answer. Can't speak for anyone else!

I hope you are successful on LC and I look forward to seeing any progress posts in the main lc lobby. One of these days I'm going to post some photos myself!
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Hello

No you aren't the only 2: I'm beginning to worry about my level of alcohol (beer) intake. I use to be able to open one or two and stop, but no longer. When I started SB I managed to quit for 4 months - went on a cruise that was VERY stressful and far from a vacation and picked up the habit again. I REALLY REALLY WANT TO QUIT or learn to just stop after one. (I don't drink daily but several nights out of the week, especially the weekends).
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i know this sabotoging your diet cause of alcohol all to well. I have also been struggling to stop drinking, and finally came to a conclusion--that isnt what i really want. So i started to look into drinking in moderation. There is hope for people like us, that need to control our alcohol intake. Check out www.moderation.org there is hope!! Believe me, i have cut back alot, use to drink 6 some times more beers a night. If you drink mix drinks, its harder to measure how much you should not drink. Although, everyone is different and only you know how much you should cut back. This program recommends a 30 day abstinence, this is not a necessary thing to do right away.. only you decide when and if its necessary.
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I'll check into that website tomorrow. I think the stress of working different shifts than DH, who's a cop in a major city, managing a multi-million $$ program that serves special needs kids, having 3 kids myself and getting them to and from all of their activities is starting to wear on me.
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I have to admit, if alcohol didn't cause depression/anxiety for me I'd probably still be drinking. For me, the combination of the emotional effects of continually pouring a depresssant drug into my system and the never-ending desire to escape the stress of my life instead of dealing with it lead me to realise that abstinence is the best choice for me. Simply put, one drink leads me to have insatiable cravings for more. It felt like the worst hunger I'd ever felt. There is no stopping once I've started.

I think that if we're honest with ourselves, we know whether or not we can moderate. I can't, and I also can't stop drinking without attending that world famous 12 step self help group on a very regular basis. If you can, I'm jealous - you have the best of both worlds, and have one for me someday!

BTW, it's nice to hear from people on this topic!

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Hi Lisa and everyone I'm glad i came across this thread i started on induction 2 weeks ago and i was a 1-2 bottle of wine a night girl previous to this diet.I am so glad i found a way out this diet has saved me i think ,i couldn't just have a glass i carried on till i was drunk ! I too was on anti depressants and have now stopped i think the alcohol made me worse.It wasn't easy the first few nights i felt like crying i missed my wine but how great i now feel waking up without a hangover and having energy for my son. It is hard and i wish anyone luck to try giving up or drinking less.love from louise xx
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:53 AM   #10
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I'm just realising that my wine consumption is way too high & it's the reason for not losing weight. I'm drinking a bottle of wine + every night & I'm gonna have to stop, not just for losing weight!! Thing is I think I'm gonna find it difficult to give it up!! I see it as a treat when kids in bed & that I deserve it!!
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I accidentally clicked on addiction support when I was going for the recipe and suggestions. I noticed this thread and I am glad I did. I too am like the rest of you all. I do 1 to 2 bottles of wine a night as well. Or I can do a half to whole bottle of rum.I planned to not drink tonight but I always have some excuse for doing it. I cant lose the weight if I am drinking. I tend to argue more with my husband and really nothing good comes out of it. I love doing it Well, I take that back. I have great cholesteral results
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I'm not trying to preach at all (I drink occasionally!), but for those of you who think you might have a problem, you probably do. And please get a handle on it while you still can. My mother became an alcoholic at age 27. She's now 45 and slowly losing the ability to be a "functioning" alchoholic. She recently lost of her job of 20+ years due to her drinking. Especially those of you with kids, you don't want your kids to remember you with a glass of wine in your hand every night. I can't even begin to tell you how much my mother (and father's) alcoholism has effected my life in a negative way.
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Old 08-16-2006, 04:16 PM   #13
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Just bless you guys to have the courage to open up to us like this-you know that is the first step in the right direction. Keep up the good work and know we are here for you. We all have our problems to deal with, and are struggeling the best we know how!
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Wow, it takes courage to post here, trust me. I feel I have to.

I am 33 and a mother of (almost) 5 year old twins. I struggled for years to have my girls (3 IVF's) and finally got them. During those years of depression thinking I may not conceive, I drank beer almost every night.

I finally got pregnant with them and quit smoking and drinking (of course) during the pregnancy. I did well after having them but about a year later I got bored of staying home and stressed about certain activities in our lives. (husband switching and losing jobs, my daughter got bit by a dog, lawsuits, dh losing money in the market, and the list goes on...)

Anyway, I began drinking vodka when I wanted to lose weight since it had calories but less carbs and more of a 'kick'. I have an addictive personality anyway so what happened was what one drink did to me at one point...began taking 3-4....and then you know the story.

I recently had to go the hospital with severe stomach and esophagal pain. After numerous blood tests, xrays and ultrasounds, they are still unsure of exactly what is wrong, but we do know that my liver enzymes are extremely high, my triglycerides are off the roof (>600) and my cholesterol is over 300. The hospital said I have a 'fatty liver' but my dr said not so much, he thinks I'll be okay I just can't drink heavily.

This was surely enough to scare me...I was thinking I might die, seriously. I have 2 little girls to take care of and they mean the world to me. I don't know what in the hell I was doing.

I have been sober for 9 days now. I feel wonderful and I'm receiving so many compliments about how I look and how I'm portraying a positive attitude. My doctor did put me on Lexapro...but I'm not scared to admit that I'm taking it. If it helps me then so be it. I'm not craving any alcohol at all. In fact, I've been out a few places with my husband and friends and they still drink, I just drink water or munch on ice.

The funny thing is noone in the family even knew it. So I guess I could consider myself a functioning alcoholic. I was so scared to quit that I would just drink more...almost hoping someone would rescue me. It's unfortunate that it took what it did to wake me up but I'm surely thankful.

Now I'm on a health kick trying to rebuild my liver and get my triglycerides and cholesterol down. So no alcohol and low carb is my life. Actually, I've always eaten low carb but I had so much alcohol in me that my body was just burning alcohol. So I really didn't eat much at all, for fear of gaining weight. Now I know I can reach my goal, and maybe more!

If anyone would like to chat with me please email me at dolphinslady at yahoo dot com.

Thanks for listening. It's great to know that there's others out there.

Oh, and for those of you who are drinking those 1-2 bottles a night...I totally understand how you feel. But if you are reading this thread, you know it may be time to make that change. Alcohol definitely prohibits weight loss, even wine. Keep your chins up and maybe grab a glass of grape juice instead! When I was pregnant I would drink apple juice b/c it kind of resembles beer, lol!

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Hi all!

I entered recovery January 1, 2004, and haven't had a drink since then. Before that time, I had spent close to 20 years trying to alter my state of consciousness through one means or another. I finally came to the realization that I had to stop drinking, just to find out if I was unhappy because I drank or if I drank because I'm unhappy. I found out that my drinking had caused a lot of problems, including part of my back trouble (truth, my back has gone out a lot less now that I no longer treat the pain with red wine and ibuprofen). For those of you who are uncomfortable with the 12-step programs (I was), there is a group specifically for women that is based upon 13 affirmatives rather than 12-steps. The group is called Women for Sobriety, and it's defnitely what got me through the first year or so of my journey.

I look upon LC'ing as another step on my journey, but for me cheating on this is not nearly as crucial as protecting my sobriety. I've learned that, while I can eat something high in carbs and not immediately binge, I can't do the same thing with alcohol. That's just the way I am; others here can drink a glass of wine and call it quits, but if they have a bite of sugar they go into immediate cravings. Such is life, and isn't diversity wonderful?

For those of you who are just stopping drinking, whether for dietary reasons or for fear that you can't control your drinking any longer, I can give you one piece of advice. Protein is your very good friend in beating cravings. When you really want that glass of wine or beer, scramble an egg instead--it's amazingly effective (as you'll see if you visit WFS, this idea is not original to me).

Ask any questions you like, I'll be happy to help in any way that I can.

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Hi all!

I've been on holiday for the past two weeks and haven't checked in...very sorry! I'm glad people are posting here. Losing weight is hard enough; add alcohol into the mix and it only becomes harder. Plus, it's hard to talk about alcohol problems without being paralyzed with embarrassment. At least it was for me.

Cheryl, congratulations on nine days (I hope it's more now) . I know how hard the early days are. When I first stopped drinking, I began to drink carbonated mineral water - no calories, and the fizz helped with the cravings I had for beer. You're doing the right thing for your liver and yourself!

Pam - you're singing my song girl! I've found the 12 step program works for me, but not everyone is the same - we need alternatives, and I'll be looking into WFS. It could be very helpful for people who chafe at all the male references in the 12 step literature. My primary purpose is also to stay sober, no matter what it takes.

It's great to see so many people posting here and I promise to check in regularly. Love to all & keep it simple!

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Hi Lisa and everyone I'm glad i came across this thread i started on induction 2 weeks ago and i was a 1-2 bottle of wine a night girl previous to this diet.I am so glad i found a way out this diet has saved me i think ,i couldn't just have a glass i carried on till i was drunk ! I too was on anti depressants and have now stopped i think the alcohol made me worse.It wasn't easy the first few nights i felt like crying i missed my wine but how great i now feel waking up without a hangover and having energy for my son. It is hard and i wish anyone luck to try giving up or drinking less.love from louise xx
Hey girl, life is so much better without the drink, isn't it? (Although, if you don't have a problem, please enjoy..one for me as well!)

Keep us posted on your progress!

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Hi all. I was glad to see this thread. I have at least 2 glasses of wine or G&t's every evening, and that is "my Time" after the kids are settled in, ny day is winding down, and I am ready to just chill.
I have a little corner of my garage (My Lounge LOL) with an old recliner, a bucket full of kitty litter, and I read and drink and smoke. I don't drink or smoke all day, and I dearly love those few drinks and 8-10 Ciggs a day. But I want (No, I don't want, I NEED to stop.Both smoling And drinking daily. At least to prove to myself that I can. I do not remember a time in the last 10 years I have not done this. every night. I have been drunk maybe 4 times in the last 10 years, and not at home, but at parties, BBqs or whatever. It isn't the amount that bothers me it is the dailyness of it, KWIM?
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My plan is to start scarsdale so that my whole day is structured and planned and I will come up with some alternate evening plan, that does not involve ciggs or booze. I should dismantle my little 'nook'.
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Best of luck, CurveControl!

I gave up drinking and I would have had a very difficult time without taking gaba, in addition to the glutamine, for the first several days.

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CurveControl,

I had gotten into the habit of pouring a drink when I got home from work and started fixing dinner and stuff. That was a hard routine to break, but I started substituting tea for a while for the alcohol, and then I was able to wean myself away from needing something for transition altogether. Having someplace for "me" time is still important for you, probably more so, it's just a matter of finding something to replace the alcohol and cigarettes. Maybe a cup of chamomile tea with your favorite LC snack?

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Thanks Pam. I really Didn't think this thing through.... DH is going to be OOT for 3 days this week, which makes my stress level go WAY UP. But this is the day I decided to do it, and any other day would have just as many challenges, So..Tonite will be the big test!
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Sending positive vibes your way for tonight, CurveControl. I know what you mean, my life is a bundle of stress, if I had waited until things calmed down to quit drinking or to lose weight, I'd still be drinking and smoking, and probably weigh around 200 pounds. Let me know how things go.

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can I join you guys as well? i'm really glad this group is here. The wine has casued me problems on Weight Watchers, and I'm hoping to do better here on Atkins. I've switched plans because I really got tired of the WW Core foods, and really missed the high-energy feeling I've had with Atkins in the past. Also, it seems that my alcohol/sugar cravings are tied together and I'm hoping that Atkins will help me with my desire to drink too much wine.

Hope this isn't too much info - just happy to have found this thread!

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OK, Not so much, with the quitting.

Setting a new goal date.
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Gail: Yes, alcohol and sugar cravings are definitely tied together. Your brain gets used to using alcohol as its fuel source, just as it gets used to using glucose as a fuel source, and there is a withdrawal period while you switch from either/both to ketones for fuel. Many alcoholics turn into sugar junkies because of this, but the cravings are definitely easier to control when you cut back on sugar and don't drink.

CurveControl: Make yourself a list of all the reasons you want to quit and all the gains you'll get by quitting and keep that list handy as you approach your new goal date. When your goal-date arrives, read that list every time you feel a craving or start to feel anxious about whether you can make it or not. Remember, cravings only last 15 minutes, so if you can distract yourself for that long at a time, you can beat any craving.

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