Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Tippy Toes]

Originally Posted by scandalouslyglam

Might I please ask a question?

I have noticed that Pages back somefollowers of Kimkins say that "It's the only thing that helped me lose the weight" I think it was TIPPYTOES that did so great on Atkins, but her last 10 pounds wasn't Budging. Please forgive me if I'm wrong...

ANYWAY, if you have atkinsed your way down and Just can't LOSE the last 10...Should you? Maybe your goal weight is too low... I just wonder because if you do K/e / KK to lose the last will you EVER maintain the goal weight?? Ire you fighting AGAINST your bodies 'desired weight'...I am curious about how well this weight CAN BE MAINTAINED...

Thanks guys,

THanks,

My weight loss stopped at 215 lbs. I am not meant to weigh 215...

[CarolynF]

Interesting article:

From a concentration camp survivor:

"In Dachau he and the other prisoners were fed only 600 calories per day and the Nazi’s worked them 16 hours per day, burning more calories than taking in." Of course, we know how sick these people were.

And many women who only take in 600 calories are working hard, taking care of kids, doing housework, etc..Hmmmm..I wonder what their "insides" look like..

[Tippy Toes]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

Given all you've read thus far, are you sure she has foster kids in her care?

That's a fair question. I cannot say she does have foster kids anymore than I can say she does not.

[jezzie]

And many women who only take in 600 calories are working hard, taking care of kids, doing housework, etc..Hmmmm..

I admit it. I'm spoiled rotten. Grew up in the land of plenty.
Ate whatever I wanted and never put on weight. (Until I did at 56. )
No way I could live on 1200 calories. But many people can.

[mom2zeke]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

That's a fair question. I cannot say she does have foster kids anymore than I can say she does not.

Do you know where did the money you helped raise for the foster kids went?

[scandalouslyglam]

Originally Posted by scandalouslyglam View Post
Might I please ask a question?

I have noticed that Pages back somefollowers of Kimkins say that "It's the only thing that helped me lose the weight" I think it was TIPPYTOES that did so great on Atkins, but her last 10 pounds wasn't Budging. Please forgive me if I'm wrong...

ANYWAY, if you have atkinsed your way down and Just can't LOSE the last 10...Should you? Maybe your goal weight is too low... I just wonder because if you do K/e / KK to lose the last will you EVER maintain the goal weight?? Ire you fighting AGAINST your bodies 'desired weight'...I am curious about how well this weight CAN BE MAINTAINED...

Thanks guys,

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

My weight loss stopped at 215 lbs. I am not meant to weigh 215...

Okay so you are not meant to weigh 215...My apologies . I swear there was apost about the last amount of pounds not moving. ANYWAY, My question still stands...anyone?

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by mom2zeke

Tippy toes,
Mum22 and controlled carb have a good point. Since you were doing the fund raising for the foster kids, were you in touch with the agency that the foster kids come from? Did you confirm with them that Heidi actually was a foster parent and that the money was being used for the children? Was the money funneled through legitimate channels in the foster care system? Has anyone been in touch with CASA or the California agency that administers the foster care children?

This is what I want to know too.. I was there when they had the fund raiser.. I didn't join in, because I was already having the doubts about everything by then.. Including if she really was a foster parent...

4-5 teen boys, fostered in a small apartment? By a single/divorced woman? I'd think that would not be allowed, for the womans safety, along with the kids.. Even if it was just one teen boy..

I thought any and all monies that were raised for 'charity' had to go thru the agencies.. No?

If someone is getting $2000.00 per child, a month, TAX FREE, that 8000-10,000 a month.. Isn't that enough to set them up with the basics when they move out? Specially when the money is sposed to be going for them, NOT her support... {If I'm wrong on the $ amount, I'm sorry... I think I remember that amount being posted somewhere}

I just don't buy the foster kid thing... Never have...

Is there anyway to find out the CA requirements for becoming a foster parent?

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by losinsusan View Post
And yes I was continually on a diet!
That is untill Kimkins .... 2 months... compared to 6 years!...I am healthy, alive, and happy! And it is done!

I'm happy for you that you experienced success in 2 months versus 6 years. It does feel good to have lost the weight. What puzzled me was your comment "And it is done!" You and I both know it's NOT done. What plan have you decided to follow to maintain and what plan will you fall back on if and when the weight starts creeping back on (heaven forbid)? I sure am having problems with maintenance and I eat very little.

[mermaid]

A very good friend of mine is 79 years old, takes no meds or supplements, is active from about 4 am to midnight every day, walks everywhere she can, works in her garden, etc. This is her daily menu: coffee, 1 piece toast with butter, 1/2 sandwich with a small cup of homemade soup for lunch, and maybe the other half a sandwich for dinner with a little more coffee, but sometimes nothing. I would estimate her calories to be under 600 every day. She has a very well rounded figure (probably about 125 pounds at 5'4"). She walked my fat butt all over the Brookside Zoo for 9 hours straight in the summer heat until I thought I would die.

I learned from her and other light eaters that some people do very well on a really small amount of food, naturally. They are not starving or in ill health.

Yes, it's true. Everyone is different.

[Locarb4me]

I can't believe I READ the whole thing
Another delurker here.

Point #1: I'm a member of Kimkins site. I bought the magazine the first week in June, waited about a week mulling it over; had a dr's appt on the 12th during which I found out I'd hit Two-terland (I guess it's called) for the first time. Went home, read the diet, found the website and joined Kimkins.

Point #2: I lost 10 lbs in 10 days. I was to Kimkins!!!

Point #3: I'm super new to Low Carbing. All I knew basically about the WOE was what I read on her site, and then I found this place plus another couple of message boards. I have been voraciously reading and learning everything I can about this WOE.

Point #4: I'm now at the point where I'm having second thoughts about the viability and healthiness and sustainability of this diet. I am struggling every day with continued weight loss and serious binge desires at night. I do well each day but by about 7 pm, I'm having a rough time with wanting "something:" yummy and off plan. EVERY NIGHT. Bummer.

About this thread: at this point, I'm somewhat concerned about the questions being asked and the credibility issues, yes. I'll be interested to see if someone on Kimkins doesn't have a pal or two here that can check ISP addresses and ban me for posting here my concerns. Guess that remains to be seen.

I'm not at all bashing the program, but I must say the more I dig, the scarier it looks, from all aspects. I logged onto another LC forum and they all jumped on me for admitting I was following Kimkins

The stuff I wish to add to this is:

tooter: I would also like to point out...Those of you who are doing "kimkins" with Wisdom need to help out those who are taking the CRAZY advice and/or are going off into the ED thing.

You see, we all really are on the same side. You might like the plan according to some "Guidelines" or your own tweaks, but I know you guys are just as much aware of the Other Huge red flags. Help these people out.

Well, I'm a newbie, but I'm trying!!

violet skye: Nobody will ever get fat from eating an entire head of romaine, nor do I know anyone who could eat that much!

Well my dear, you never saw me tuck into my favorite salad (Caesar) then. Not only a whole small head of romaine but the cheese and croutons and dressing too. Why d'ya think I'm in the current shape I'm in? Heehee, I know it wasn't the lettuce that added my extra tonnage...I'm just messin' with ya.

And finally, someone a few pages back was commenting on carbs and what are they. I saw a post by Lilbit on Kimkins forum that provoked me to research it (she made the comment that "all carbs are sugars". I don't believe that.

Carbohydrate: Mainly sugars and starches, together constituting one of the three principal types of nutrients used as energy sources (calories) by the body. Carbohydrates can also be defined chemically as neutral compounds of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.

Carbohydrates come in simple forms such as sugars and in complex forms such as starches and fiber. The body breaks down most sugars and starches into glucose, a simple sugar that the body can use to feed its cells. Complex carbohydrates are derived from plants. Dietary intake of complex carbohydrates can lower blood cholesterol when they are substituted for saturated fat.

Carbohydrates are classified into mono, di, tri, poly and heterosaccharides. The smallest carbohydrates are monosaccharides such as glucose whereas polysaccharides such as starch, cellulose and glycogen can be large and even indeterminate in length.

The energy produced by carbohydrates is 4 calories per gram. Proteins also provide 4 calories per gram. Fats are high-cal; they provide 9 calories per gram.

So sorry for the long initial post...those are just some of my thoughts as I have read this entire thread. I also have spent significant time in the Kimmer archives trying to get a feel for what was going on pre-Kimkins WW magazine and new site.

So...Hello and I look forward to getting to know you all better. Thanks!

[jezzie]

can't believe I READ the whole thing

Did you pack a lunch.


Edited to say: Excuse my manners. Welcome to LCF.

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[controlledcarb]

Quote:
can't believe I READ the whole thing

Did you pack a lunch.

When a friend of mine asked for a link to read here, I said - grab a drink, some snacks and a really comfortable chair, because you're going to be there a while!

[CarolynF]

Locarb4me: Welcome and you are a very intelligent gal to do research on your diet..Wow!! My advice to you is to read Dr. Atkins book. HE has done the research for a very safe, very effective plan for weight loss.. Yes, all carbs act like sugar..(darn it all)..So, the key to LCing is to eliminate the ones with the MOST sugars (bread, pasta, sugar, corn, etc.). Dr. A. has a very sensible way to add those back in your diet when you are heading to Maintenance..

Very low calorie diets can make you lose..noone debates that, but to what avail? I know personally, if I don't eat much during a meal, I'm starving for the next meal and probably eat too much..Your body is telling you something
when it is bingeing..It doesn't trust you for providing it with a good amount of food..

My suggestion is that you read Dr. A.'s New Diet Revolution. There is lots of information on this website about the "plan", too..It's a great one..and very healthy.

[ixtapacheryl]

Lowcarb4me ! Welcome to the LCF site. Just for your info - I was also a member of Kimmer's site after I lost my weight on this forum. The reason I say "was" is because either Kimmer or another member of her site must have been here reading and saw my posts. Very shortly after posting here Kimmer wrote to me and banned me from her site. At first I tried to defend her but the more I read the more I questioned her honesty. She offered me a refund and I accepted. So to answer your question - yes there are people checking out this forum.

I also have to compliment you on reading all the posts on this thread. It must have taken you a week or so to get through all of them.

Again, welcome to our forum. A great group of members here and are willing to help - all you have to do is ask!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Locarb4me: Welcome and you are a very intelligent gal to do research on your diet..Wow!! My advice to you is to read Dr. Atkins book. HE has done the research for a very safe, very effective plan for weight loss.. Yes, all carbs act like sugar..(darn it all)..So, the key to LCing is to eliminate the ones with the MOST sugars (bread, pasta, sugar, corn, etc.). Dr. A. has a very sensible way to add those back in your diet when you are heading to Maintenance..

Very low calorie diets can make you lose..noone debates that, but to what avail? I know personally, if I don't eat much during a meal, I'm starving for the next meal and probably eat too much..Your body is telling you something
when it is bingeing..It doesn't trust you for providing it with a good amount of food..

My suggestion is that you read Dr. A.'s New Diet Revolution. There is lots of information on this website about the "plan", too..It's a great one..and very healthy.

I agree 100% - the binging is caused by something and it must be hunger. You aren't eating enough fat/protein. Remember you can eat many small meals per day to keep your appetite in check. Also definitely pick up the Dr. A book and digest it (not literally )

[beautifulme]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

This is what I want to know too.. I was there when they had the fund raiser.. I didn't join in, because I was already having the doubts about everything by then.. Including if she really was a foster parent...

4-5 teen boys, fostered in a small apartment? By a single/divorced woman? I'd think that would not be allowed, for the womans safety, along with the kids.. Even if it was just one teen boy..

I thought any and all monies that were raised for 'charity' had to go thru the agencies.. No?

If someone is getting $2000.00 per child, a month, TAX FREE, that 8000-10,000 a month.. Isn't that enough to set them up with the basics when they move out? Specially when the money is sposed to be going for them, NOT her support... {If I'm wrong on the $ amount, I'm sorry... I think I remember that amount being posted somewhere}

I just don't buy the foster kid thing... Never have...

Is there anyway to find out the CA requirements for becoming a foster parent?

Hello.In California NO ONE is getting 2000 for any foster kid.So if k/heidi said that then we know she is not being honest about having foster kids.
There is a range that people get 4 kids and I believe that it ends at 800$ and that is for kids with special needs.Most people get less than that + other assistance like food stamps and medical cards.

[Tippy Toes]

OK, just to answer the question, when we did the fund raiser we were a small group and we pledged a dollar per pound lost for a month. It was not a significant amount of money. We all understood the money would go to Kimmer to do as she saw fit and it was paid individually thru paypal. Now, please don't let this make you ASSUME (love how the word breaks down ASS-U-ME) that there are or are not foster kids and that the money did or did not help them. No fair speculating and worse convicting for speculation. Not to offend, but I have yet to see any real, hardcore "proof" of anything so far. Pure speculation, pics and all. To convict because a large group "speculates" is about as 'good old boy" as it gets so please stay open minded. We may be internet peers with Kimmer but we are not judge & jury. So far I have seen anger, hurt, resentment, ect but most important I started seeing honesty and caring for one another. So, even if no one ever knows the mystery behind Kimmer, at least some good came from all of this. And that's cool.

[CarolynF]

I think people in our area (KS) get around $400 give or take for each child. This doesn't count special needs..

[DivaHerself]

Foster care rates, Riverside County, CA (where Hesperia and Corona are):

http://dpss.co.riverside.ca.us/DPSS/...CareRates.aspx

From http://dpss.co.riverside.ca.us/dpss/...are.aspx#FPFAQ

2. How do I become a foster parent?

A license is required to operate a foster home. The process requires a licensing worker to visit your home and meet with you and other family members. Minimum personal, safety and space requirements are required by law. Foster parents work with social services staff to determine the type of child best suited for their home (i.e., age, health issues, and gender).

[Tippy Toes]

I will be on vacation for the next two weeks with no puter. Didn't want anyone to think I got offended or had something to hide by not answering a question. I know nothing more than any of you do except what i posted. I will never have time to catch this thread up after 2 weeks, RFLMAO, so if anyone wants me, just send me a PM and I will answer when I get home. Bye everyone!

[KarenG]

Originally Posted by Ursula C.

GREAT point, Susan.

BTW: body by Kimkins

Originally Posted by Ursula C.

I haven't read this WHOLE thread, but I get the gist of it. So, my question may have already been asked: why not just follow the plan (whatever you want to call it -- Stillman, Kimkins, etc) and ignore the "person" ? (btw: I have my own doubts as to whether there really is a person behind the curtain and I refuse to pay $60 -- last time I heard -- for something I can get for free here).

"Kimkins" got me skinny w/o hunger, w/o detrimental side effects. Nuff said.

Ursula

Now, I am trying to say this with complete respect, and this is totally not snarky so please don't take it that way.

But you were thin before you started. At 5'6" and 134 lbs, I believe you were at a healthy weight for your height. Not that you didn't want to lose a few pounds, but you were in no way obese, correct? It actually kind of worries me when I see people at a healthy weight, trying to diet themselves down to what is probably considered a "popular" number. I actually blame Hollywood for that. But that is a whole other issue.

And I did it myself at one point. I got down to 118 for about one day. But what I put my body through to get there, I am seriously paying for now, and will pay for for the rest of my life. My metabolism is screwed, I can literally put on 3-5 lbs in ONE DAY if I am not careful. Serious, die-hard dieting is what got me to where I am. Serious dieting is what kicked off my bulimia. I was terrified of everything I put in my mouth. It would show on the scale, so I needed to get rid of it. The first time I threw up, I remember this like it was yesterday, and it was over 20 years ago, I had eaten a Weight Watchers lasagna dinner. Then I made myself 2 pieces of garlic toast in the toaster oven. I freaked out over those 2 pieces of toast and had to get rid of it. That was the beginning for me and I have yet to see the end.

I worry about that for other people. I hate to see the same thing happen to anyone else.

Sorry to pick on you...most of my post really has nothing to do with you, it just struck a chord with me, to see your stats.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

I will be on vacation for the next two weeks with no puter. Didn't want anyone to think I got offended or had something to hide by not answering a question. I know nothing more than any of you do except what i posted. I will never have time to catch this thread up after 2 weeks, RFLMAO, so if anyone wants me, just send me a PM and I will answer when I get home. Bye everyone!

Have a great time on your vacation ...... clear your mind and just have fun! I'm jealous! See you when you get back.... Will miss you!