Protein Power

[trinitee]

Is there anyone here on the Protein Power plan that wants to join me?

[It'stime]

Hi, I'm gonna join you. I plan to do this straight until the 30th of June. Then I'll be on vacation and hoping to do ok. Then back to lean for life. So this is a short sprint. But doing the shakes solo, I'll need support. So I'm in.

I started yesterday and dropped 4 of the 5 pounds I gained on the weekend.

[Dharma]

Did you know about his blog?? GREAT reading....

Here's one to start with:

Leptin, low-carb and hunger » Michael R. Eades, M.D.

I'm reading PP Lifeplan - really enjoying it. I'm doing Intermittent Fasting right now but I think Mike Eades is awesome!!!!

[It'stime]

Thanks for posting Dharma. It was interesting reading and then I also realized I had read the blog wrong. I thought I read protein powder, which would have been close to what I'm doing till the 30th. A meal replacement kind of thing.

[Dharma]

Yea 'Protein Power' and 'Protein Powder' look almost the same!!

Protein Power is a great book and I think a very scientifically based plan.

[trinitee]

I really like the Protein Power plan. It is a lot like Atkins, but doesn't focus on Carbs, it focuses on eating more protein. Our bodies need protein to live! The carbs are so dang good tho!

So Dharma (I love that name!) you are reading the PPLP? I have the book Protein Power and ordered the Protein Power Life Plan. They are similar, but supposedly enough different to be worth having both. I also have ordered a strength training book of theirs.

I should get them soon and we can discuss the PPLP.

So are you using the Protein power plan? I have been working on it. It's the weekends and parties and church functions. It's hard to be so disciplined.

I'll look at your blog. I think I've read it.

Let's get together and learn and get LEAN!

[nolagina]

Hey there!

I've been on PP since December 2006... I had also done PP from June 1998 through October 1999 and lost about 70 lbs.. Then I lost my way...

I love PP... I'm in Phase I and I find it to be an easier plan for me than Atkins.

Nice to see some PP here.. I feel as if I'm wandering alone in the wilderness on this board sometimes.

[Dharma]

Patsy yes I recently re-read PP, then read PPLP, and they are both worth reading. PPLP has so much good info in it.

I am doing Intermittent Fasting right now, which means I fast for 19 hours (from 9 p.m. to 4 p.m. the next day) then eat during a 5 hour window. During my eating time I eat low carb, try to get in enough protein and fats. But I have been incorporating the supplement recommendations in PP which I think are very helpful.

I am subscribed to this thread so will continue to post and monitor!! I really think Dr. Eades is awesome.

[Bluepony]

Don't see any recent posts to this thread, but wanted to let you know there's another PP advocate around. I have been following the PP plan (on and off) since '97 or '98. I initially lost 30# and kept it off for 3 years. Have snuck back up over the last five years and now need to lose that 30 again. I've restarted an exercise plan, gotten back in he PP groove and lost 8# so far. I'll check in here periodically. Good luck all!

[sandkou]

HOw is it like atkins?

[Dharma]

They are both low carb, adequate protein, good fats. PP suggests dividing 30 daily carbs up evenly between meals and snacks. PP also talks about finding the level of carbs at which we lose and maintain like Atkins. So they are very similar.

[moonstruck]

I own and have read PP and almost all of PPLP. My question is, do any of you eat berries on a daily basis? I love the big bag of mixed berries from Costco (raspberries, boysenberries and blueberries) and have read they are PP friendly.

I also know that a cup is about 14 grams of carbs. I am on Atkins now, but love the Eadses books. I also have the book "Thin So Fast", has anyone read the book or done the plan?

[spaceace]

I also like Protein Power. I think the book(s) are better (more detailed which I love to know details) than the others.

So I shall join you all! I've lost 29 lbs since Good Friday on it. Would have lost more but I allowed a couple of times off but got right back on the next day.

Yes it is very much like Atkins - similar carb amounts and adding them in increments.

I'm glad there are other Protein Power fans here.

[laney_]

Would someone mind posting what a typical day's menu looks like?

Thank You so much

[nolagina]

Laney,
Here's a link to my Fitday... I've been PP since December 06 and have lost 53 lbs....

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...l?Owner=ginwoo

[alex57]

I have a question.

For the past month I have been eating lc but, taking points from Thompson's LGL concept and Eades IF. Trying to eat only when hungry. This has seemed to help me get things under control. However, I find I'm not hungry in the am and it is usually noon or so before my first meal of the day. Dinner is around 6 or 7. Some days I'm not truly hungry for that either. I have been making sure that I'm eating ample protein and have also added berries and yogurt, pretty much on a daily basis.

Now the question. I have done the IF a couple of times with no problem. My concern is can your calorie count get too low. If eating quite a bit of protein and fats plus a few veggies and berries, I fill up fast and if only eating once or twice a day as hunger dictates......my calories aren't very high. Does Dr. Eades address this?

I have been reading a number of his blogs and found them very interesting and am learning a lot. Haven't seen anything regarding my question however. Can you give me some information? Thx.

[healthy lady T]

I know you posted this question awhile ago. I just thought I would respond. I really follow more of the Atkins lifestyle. A while ago though I was in between a rock and a hard place. I exercise so much (Running, step classes, weights, etc.) I started wondering if I was really eating correctly for my activity. I decided to go back and read PP. I had read it years ago, and because you base you daily protein amount on your activities,weight,lean body mass, and so on. So I say it is a great plan. So many of the books are only geared towards the diet only, and those of us that are exercise hounds, and athletes need something more specific. So, I agree with the other responses on the scientific information from Dr. Eades. It will be well worth the effort.

[Dharma]

I am IFing using a 19/5 plan. I don't eat until around 4:00 each day and stop at 9:00 (actually usually stop before then). I have found that I'm having trouble getting in enough protein using this plan. I always feel like I'm too low - but then if I eat more protein in a shorter period I'm concerned it will be too much at one time. Not sure what I'm gonna do about it yet.

[lilmisssunshine]

hi there!
i've been reading protein power and i have a question...
they list cottage cheese in the protein section. do the carbs in it count towards your daily carb count?
love,
shannon

[Dharma]

Yes, I would count the carbs in the cottage cheese. IMO the full fat cottage cheese would be better since it's the lowest carb.

[WATCH-ME-SHRINK]

Hey you PP people, I have a Q.

I understand that this plan is somewhat restrictive on protein, or better stated, you should not exceed what your alotted grams of protein are based on your specific goal/plan.

Why is that? Why does this plan limit protein to that degree? I'm just curious what their reasoning is.

Thanks.

[Ailuros]

PP doesn't limit protein, it says that you should eat "at least" your protein requirement each day. If you're going hugely over that amount, and not losing weight, then it would be suggested that you try cutting back a bit closer to the number, but generally there isn't an upper limit.

[Dharma]

Hi Twyla!!

Here's a link to a M. Eades blog entry on exercise and diet - I thought you might enjoy it. I love reading the blogs, even the ones not related to PP stuff.

Fisking Repovich and Peterson » Michael R. Eades, M.D.

It's not related to your question BTW but still interesting!!

[DrunkenSailor]

Originally Posted by Dharma

I am IFing using a 19/5 plan. I don't eat until around 4:00 each day and stop at 9:00 (actually usually stop before then). I have found that I'm having trouble getting in enough protein using this plan. I always feel like I'm too low - but then if I eat more protein in a shorter period I'm concerned it will be too much at one time. Not sure what I'm gonna do about it yet.

Hi Dharma, I have this exact same question. I just started easing into the Fast-5 plan today, and have the same concerns about protein.

I've found PP to be the best of all the low carb books I've read in terms of explaining the science clearly. I remember reading somewhere (I think in PP, but I'm not sure) that the body can only handle about 30 g of protein at a time. That is, about 30 g can be broken down and used by the body as protein; any more than that gets turned into glucose because the body's protein-handlers are all busy.

Does this sound familiar to anyone? I was thinking that an out-of-window protein snack would help meet basic protein requirements without taking the body out of fat-burning mode or causing hunger, since there would not be an insulin response.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by DrunkenSailor

I've found PP to be the best of all the low carb books I've read in terms of explaining the science clearly. I remember reading somewhere (I think in PP, but I'm not sure) that the body can only handle about 30 g of protein at a time. That is, about 30 g can be broken down and used by the body as protein; any more than that gets turned into glucose because the body's protein-handlers are all busy.

Does this sound familiar to anyone? I was thinking that an out-of-window protein snack would help meet basic protein requirements without taking the body out of fat-burning mode or causing hunger, since there would not be an insulin response.

I agree - PP is the best and clearest I've read on low carb science.

And, I think you may be right about the out-of-window protein snack. I am thinking of doing this on my workout days (Tues & Thurs), and on the weekends. I just get hungrier on the weekends than when I'm at work. I think I actually recommended this to someone a while back.....but I haven't been doing it myself lately.

I wish I knew how much protein is okay at one time.....but if I ate 30 grams at the start of my window, then 4 hours later ate another 30 that would actually be okay....minimum, but enough.

[DrunkenSailor]

I think it's going to be hard for me to get the protein in period. My estimate based on what I've had today:
2 hard-boiled eggs around 1230 --14g
2-3 pieces of bacon around 4 --7g
a burrito with chicken --maybe 20g
hot chocolate

My estimates could be way off, but I doubt I've had much more than 40g of protein so far. I'm not really hungry now, but I guess I'll eat a little leftover steak before bed.

[Dharma]

I really think being random with intermittent fasting is a good idea anyway, and would allow for more protein/fat snacks to fill in those gaps. I haven't started being random yet because I need to clean up my diet first!!! I've found I can eat whatever I want on IF and still maintain my weight. It's a catch-22 really.

[WATCH-ME-SHRINK]

Thanks for the link, Dharma.

I'm gonna take time to read that when I finish this post!

The target of "30 g per meal and beyond that would be excessive" is within my eating plan anyway. I try to get in 25-30 grams per meal, and I eat five meals. I try to get in between 140-150 grams per day total.

I guess I misunderstood the limitations on protein, took it out of context. Thanx for the clarification.

[Ailuros]

I don't think the idea that you can only digest 30g at one go comes from protein power - the tables in PPLP say that larger people need to eat at least 46g at each meal, which would be a funny thing to recommend if you believed they could only process 30g. I don't know where the 30g thing comes from, but I'm pretty sure it's not from the Drs Eades.