Why the fascination with Kimmer? #15

[LINC]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

It's just unfortunate that some of you would mar your own good work by engaging in harrassing seemingly innocent people on the internet for kicks.

I mean until you can prove that Bonnie is Heidi or somehow related, what real justification do you have for giving this woman grief????

i.e. posting details about her life on a public messageboard, investigation her private personal issues and speculating about such things, invading her private messageboard and trying to agitate her and her customers.

I'm sorry that just seems like basic human decency.

Lola, I felt exactly the same way you do when this all started. Since then, a bunch of things have happened that have changed my opinion.

First of all, intentionally or not, the forums are public. If you look at them, you can see she has about 10 members. Only one of them posts regularly. She begs for people to come out and support her, she begs Bonnie to come in and support her. Bonnie gives her non-answers when she asks where everyone is. That is very strange. And it doesn't sound like a legitimate business at all.

AmyB had her own experience with Bonnie that was very suspicious too.

The rants from Hulon Pate (who lied about being Bonnie's SIL) were bizarre, and she never acknowledged this guy in her own responses to people's questions. What was that all about and who is that guy? Why would this strange guy come out of nowhere to defend this lady?

The .net website, with Bonnie's husband's rants. What can I say? That stuff was out there. The whole website was nothing but a huge insult to Bonnie. Yet, it sat there for weeks. And then it morphed into a loving tribute from Bonnie's husband. So, it looks like David Luper really did have control over the site, which means Bonnie must have known about it.

The candle website. Where you can't buy candles. Looked at first to be nothing but an advertisement for the MCD. Then it started getting strange comments on it too. Then the references to MCD disappeared. There were even references in the comment section to the .net website. Those odd comments stayed there on the candle website for a long time. I know that someone in charge saw the comments because every now and then, some comments would disappear. And now they're completely gone.

Does any of this sound like what someone who is going into business will do? This is the ONLY internet exposure that the MCD has. There is no advertising anywhere. She's promoting her business with bad press and crazy. I can't believe that she's actually trying to run a business. It's something else. Yes, that's speculation. Maybe she really is that bad at running a business. Like I said though, if that's the case, I don't think anything that anyone has done here can hurt her more than she's hurt herself with all this craziness.

Oh, and the part I forgot to mention. This whole things started because she publicly advertised for a web designer to close Kimkins.com. That, itself, was pretty stupid (and not very ethical) too.

For the record, I really don't think she's the next kimkins site, but I do think there's something very wrong with the MCD. I said before I think her website is nothing but a distraction from something else. That's the only thing I can come up with, because she's done nothing that even remotely resembles what a person who is trying to make money in a business does.

As far as her personal stuff being out there. I was really bothered by that at first too. But did you read the .net site before it was scrubbed? There was far worse posted there, and I have to believe that not only did she know about it, she was involved in having it out there. So, I don't feel all that bad about anyone else posting what they have about her if she's willing to do that to herself (for whatever reason).

That's my two cents for what it's worth

Lou

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

People said that we were at a dead-end back in thread 2. If we had given up then, the Russian brides never would have been found.

That is what I told her in my post befor that one. She didn't answer any of my questions either.

ETA my other questions were removed by me before posting, forgot

[**Lola**]

How many of us have to speak up to YOUR harassment before you think about what you are doing?

Terri,

I am sorry, but I am not going to let that slide. I have not harrassed anyone on this thread and I am frankly sick of you all making baseless accusations without regard for the truth to anyone and about anyone who dares question your questionable tactics.

What you are supporting doing to Bonnie Luper is not okay. It is wrong.

I suspect you know that but just don't care since you've gotten away with it thus far.

Okay, that's a reflection of your real sense of justice and morality despite the claims you make regarding deep moral offense to Kimmer. Shame on you!!!


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Lou, I agree with you. Most of what you posted sounds really strange. I have no idea what is going on with the MCD.

I just think that until there is proof that she has something to do with Heidi Diaz that peole would refrain from doing these things to her.

I also read AmyB's account and it was very strange. But it also seemed reasonable that Bonnie was being decent by giving a FREE account to a perfect stranger and then got spooked by Amy's questions. From what I read, it seemed like Bonnie was saying, don't post your weight loss pictures until you've actually lost some weight on the MCD. That seems like a highly decent/ethical thing that Bonnie said.

I don't know. I just know that I've been on other messageboards and I've never seen it allowed to post people's real names, addresses, maps to their homes, and all of the craziness that I've seen on this thread.

I don't get why people think this is okay.

Yeah Heidi is bad....but that doesn't mean that being equally bad is okay especially to potentially innocent people. What is so hard to understand about that????

[Nady]

why didn't I think of this before~ maybe it's Heidi's way of getting a tax write off~ uncovered business expenses. She has a site, basically uses a name that is unknown~ every time MCD come up, they try to shoo us away~ lets see~

Pay for site design + pay for domain + pay people for success stories (don't want to make that mistake twice) + ask a exhorbatant price for membership + not enough members so sustain the site = Tax Credit!

What do you think? Make sense?
~~~N

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by LosingToLive

ETA my other questions were removed by me before posting, forgot

I understand. I don't post but about a quarter of what I'd like to say.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

Terri,

I am sorry, but I am not going to let that slide. I have not harrassed anyone on this thread and I am frankly sick of you all making baseless accusations without regard for the truth to anyone and about anyone who dares question your questionable tactics.

What you are supporting doing to Bonnie Luper is not okay. It is wrong.

I suspect you know that but just don't care since you've gotten away with it thus far.

Okay, that's a reflection of your real sense of justice and morality despite the claims you make regarding deep moral offense to Kimmer. Shame on you!!!


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Lou, I agree with you. Most of what you posted sounds really strange. I have no idea what is going on with the MCD.

I just think that until there is proof that she has something to do with Heidi Diaz that peole would refrain from doing these things to her.

I also read AmyB's account and it was very strange. But it also seemed reasonable that Bonnie was being decent by giving a FREE account to a perfect stranger and then got spooked by Amy's questions. From what I read, it seemed like Bonnie was saying, don't post your weight loss pictures until you've actually lost some weight on the MCD. That seems like a highly decent/ethical thing that Bonnie said.

I don't know. I just know that I've been on other messageboards and I've never seen it allowed to post people's real names, addresses, maps to their homes, and all of the craziness that I've seen on this thread.

I don't get why people think this is okay.

Yeah Heidi is bad....but that doesn't mean that being equally bad is okay especially to potentially innocent people. What is so hard to understand about that????

Lola, nobody has ever said that Bonnie is equally bad as Heidi. Maybe she is, and maybe she isn't. She is free to come here and clear the air with us. Why do you suppose she doesn't? How are we going to get to the truth if she is not forthcoming with information?

And you be very careful what you accuse me of, and be very sure that I actually did it. I guess it's fine for you to come here and call into question people's character, but when we do it, you get all up in arms. You are a very confusing mass of contradictions.

Shame on me? You are not my mother, so keep it to yourself. I am sure I am MUCH older than you are, so you would do well to mind your manners.

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

I understand. I don't post but about a quarter of what I'd like to say.

I do but then delete.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

I don't know. I just know that I've been on other messageboards and I've never seen it allowed to post people's real names, addresses, maps to their homes, and all of the craziness that I've seen on this thread.

I don't get why people this this is okay.

It's not. Unless your name is Heidi Diaz and you are a proven liar and thief, I don't think it's ever right to post personal information here. Yeah, I know the whole "but it's all out there on the internet anyway" rational, but that doesn't fly with me. There isn't a single person who is on this thread who would appreciate a bunch of strangers digging up all the information they could on them and then posting it all on a public message board.

Anyway, like I said, Bonnie (or her evil twin) has already posted all kinds of things about herself. Some not so flattering. So, it seems she really must not mind so much what's out there about her. I know I would mind a lot. But, I would also mind if my husband created a website to humiliate me, complete with pictures. I just recently went back and reread that stuff. It was pretty bad.

Lou

[This time]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Steve

Thank you Barbara. I appreciate the welcomes I am receiving. I am now at least 15 pages behind. I've been searching for your post, so I could respond. My mom is very ill, so I'm a little stressed, and haven't been able to keep up with this thread.
We all tend to get a little cantankerous from time to time. Just ask my kids!

Sendingfor your mom

[**Lola**]

There isn't a single person who is on this thread who would appreciate a bunch of strangers digging up all the information they could on them and then posting it all on a public message board.

Exactly.

Anyway, like I said, Bonnie (or her evil twin) has already posted all kinds of things about herself. Some not so flattering. So, it seems she really must not mind so much what's out there about her. I know I would mind a lot. But, I would also mind if my husband created a website to humiliate me, complete with pictures. I just recently went back and reread that stuff. It was pretty bad.

I can't begin to make sense of any of that. I just don't understand some of the stuff that goes on here.

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

Terri,

I am sorry, but I am not going to let that slide. I have not harrassed anyone on this thread and I am frankly sick of you all making baseless accusations without regard for the truth to anyone and about anyone who dares question your questionable tactics.

What you are supporting doing to Bonnie Luper is not okay. It is wrong.

I suspect you know that but just don't care since you've gotten away with it thus far.

Okay, that's a reflection of your real sense of justice and morality despite the claims you make regarding deep moral offense to Kimmer. Shame on you!!!


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Lou, I agree with you. Most of what you posted sounds really strange. I have no idea what is going on with the MCD.

I just think that until there is proof that she has something to do with Heidi Diaz that peole would refrain from doing these things to her.

I also read AmyB's account and it was very strange. But it also seemed reasonable that Bonnie was being decent by giving a FREE account to a perfect stranger and then got spooked by Amy's questions. From what I read, it seemed like Bonnie was saying, don't post your weight loss pictures until you've actually lost some weight on the MCD. That seems like a highly decent/ethical thing that Bonnie said.

I don't know. I just know that I've been on other messageboards and I've never seen it allowed to post people's real names, addresses, maps to their homes, and all of the craziness that I've seen on this thread.

I don't get why people think this is okay.

Yeah Heidi is bad....but that doesn't mean that being equally bad is okay especially to potentially innocent people. What is so hard to understand about that????

I am being sincere when I ask this question ok?

Why do you keep coming here if all we do is "upset you"?

Why are your posts so full of anger? Are we close to something? I don't see you coming in here with encouraging words, just anger.
I'm not trying to start anything, I really want to know why you come in here and do nothing but complain?

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

I can't begin to make sense of any of that. I just don't understand some of the stuff that goes on here.

It didn't go on here. It was done on a blog and David Luper took "credit" for it.

[**Lola**]

Why do you keep coming here if all we do is "upset you"?

When did I ever say that all you do is anger me? I find this story fascinating and there are several regular posters on this thread that I have grown to really like and respect.

But in my reading this thread from time to time, I come across stuff like I did today that I think is wrong. So I speak up about it.

I'm sorry if my speaking up about what I think is wrong offends you, but I will continue to do so.

Why are your posts so full of anger? Are we close to something?

LOL and Wow!!!

I don't even know what to say except why not take what people say at face value instead of continually accusing them of being involved in some big conspiracy.

I have nothing to do with MCD or kimkins. I, like many others, who have spoken up and many more who have remained silent find certain behavior on this thread appalling.

If you wish to believe that it is impossible for someone (like myself) to disagree with what goes on here without having an hidden agenda......well I don't know what to say to that.

[Katinsac]

personally, if I don't like something that is said here, I just ignore it and move on...there are all kinds of personalities here and that will mean a variety of posts...we can't please everyone

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

When did I ever say that all you do is anger me? I find this story fascinating and there are several regular posters on this thread that I have grown to really like and respect.

But in my reading this thread from time to time, I come across stuff like I did today that I think is wrong. So I speak up about it.

I'm sorry if my speaking up about what I think is wrong offends you, but I will continue to do so.



LOL and Wow!!!


I don't even know what to say except why not take what people say at face value instead of continually accusing them of being involved in some big conspiracy.

I have nothing to do with MCD or kimkins. I, like many others, who have spoken up and many more who have remained silent find certain behavior on this thread appalling.

If you wish to believe that it is impossible for someone (like myself) to disagree with what goes on here without having an hidden agenda......well I don't know what to say to that.

Oh I'm not offened, you didn't say anything to offend me at all. It takes a lot more than that.

LOL And I never said you had anything to do with the MCD either. You have voiced your opinion and we welcome it. BUT its NOT going to change us either.
I welcome people to debate, that's not a problem at all. It's people coming in here stating that "their way of thinking is the ONLY way". That's what's wrong. We always welcome opinions that differ from ours, just not shoved down our throats.
You don't like the way things are done here..... ok, that doesn't mean that one side is right and one is wrong. We will agree to disagree.

[Mallory]

Okay I just want to jump in here and congratulate all these wonderful ladies for all their hard work. Magicsmom, you were great..and its nice to put a face to an avatar John Tiedt was so articulate and convincing and I was so surprised to see they allowed so much time for this piece!!
Great, great job!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

personally, if I don't like something that is said here, I just ignore it and move on...there are all kinds of personalities here and that will mean a variety of posts...we can't please everyone

That is right, and 99.9% of the time, I read it and skip over it too. There aren't enough rolley-eyed smilies in the world to show how many times I have not responded. Then there's that .1% of the time.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Mallory

Okay I just want to jump in here and congratulate all these wonderful ladies for all their hard work. Magicsmom, you were great..and its nice to put a face to an avatar John Tiedt was so articulate and convincing and I was so surprised to see they allowed so much time for this piece!!
Great, great job!

Thank you, Mallory, I appreciate that! Yes, John Tiedt did indeed find his calling! Anyone with recall for detail and ability to articulate it the way he can should be a lawyer.

[Katinsac]

lol...watch that 1%!! lol

[Katinsac]

John's the best and we are lucky Nessa found him for us!!! Go John!!!

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

lol...watch that 1%!! lol

Really, I'm going to start cheating on Jeanessa with MagicsMom. Doesn't she look wonderful today?

[Katinsac]

I worked for the Govt for over 35 years and one of the first things we were taught was that if you didn't want anyone to know anything...don't say it! The Internet is the same way....if you don't want anyone to know anything about you then don't use it! Even Big Brother has info on you that you don't want them to have, that is just the way it is. Someone, somewhere will find it sooner or later.

Bonnie and David have put a lot out there and what will be will be, wether she is connected to Heidi or not. She is still promoting a very dangerious diet also. In my opinion, All's fair in love and war...

[Katinsac]

Yes, Terry...it was nice being represented by a special Duck!!

[CarolynF]

I am hoping that SingingLass/Gary has seen the video to know what they are up against when John goes after them (Gary maybe..I guess) for a deposition. Singing has been warned time and again, but still is at KK..